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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2006, 08:09:44 am »
@datruth: , the enki race model has almost everything worked out, different skins something the others don't i think you should start bragging instead of brawling about the "long" walk else, have a good day :)
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2006, 08:26:55 am »
@datruth: , the enki race model has almost everything worked out, different skins something the others don't i think you should start bragging instead of brawling about the "long" walk else, have a good day :)

I wasn't brawling about the long walk.

You should really work on your reading comprehension.

The whole paragraph was a response to what the person above me wrote.

He said ojaveda was the same as Hydlaa, and that moving everyone to ojaveda would switch the problem around.

That simply isn't the case though and even if we moved everyone to ojaveda, people would STILL go to hydlaa because of the trainers, sewers, arena, and mines.

Might want to read a post a couple times before you press the reply button next time. ;)
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2006, 09:12:08 am »
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I utterly fail to see that.
Dunno how else to explain it, there's pretty much nothing to do there, and very few players in the area.

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The devs aren't trying to please new players.  and I don't think you really understand roleplay.
If the devs don't look to please the players, then nobody will play the game.  Obviously the devs are interested in pleasing the players, although within the confines of the gameplay style they laid out obviously.  And what does roleplay have to do with where you spawn anyways?

I'd still prefer to just respawn in the area that you die.
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2006, 11:36:16 am »
well, Im really new, so dont hold anything to me  :D, but is going through that incredibly long green mountainy area the only way to get to hydlaa, because it SUCKS. if so, anyone got any tips (u were talking about times earlier in the thread, but it died) on a better direction to autorun to make it any faster?
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2006, 06:21:57 pm »
@datruth: , the enki race model has almost everything worked out, different skins something the others don't i think you should start bragging instead of brawling about the "long" walk else, have a good day :)

Actually, some of the other races do have different skins available in the form of various hair colouring and horn options, so there is some degree of customisation available for some of the other races as well. Perhaps, considering both hair and horn options, it's fair to argue that some of the races respawning in Hydlaa can have even more individualised appearances than enki's do. But at any rate, how customisable a particular race's appearance is is rarely the reason most people choose one race over another, just as a respawn point probably isn't.. unless, say, the person is a really hardcore fanatic about mining.

I think the real issue is equality in respawn points.

Logically, it makes sense to have each race respawn in it's own city. I don't think that having the option of choosing a respawn point on a death-by-death basis is a good option as /die can then easily be abused as a shortcut.

But, since some people in this forum seem to think that being enki is all about advantages, let me give you an example of what some (not all) enki's have to deal with:

As a dark furred fenki, clipping is a major problem for me. My character cannot walk through the pubs (either of them) without having to jump over tables and chairs. There are areas in the bronze doors reqion that members of a group I was exploring the area with could access, but my charrie couldn't due to clipping. My character is a miner. Every single time I go into the temple to mine it takes me half an hour or more to get out of the temple. Not because I don't know my way, because I do, but because with the clipping problem, my charrie cannot get between the boxes and the wall. Trying to jump over the boxes is is a sad joke, as she gets hung up on the boxes every single time. Usually, the only option is /die, not an option I particularly care for. I have seen dwarves, krans, and every other race slip past those boxes with no problem.. my charrie can't do it. (So much for the clear advantages of having an enki char, eh?)

My solution, after three nightmare trips to the plat mines was to forego mining platinum.. at great finanacial expense to my character, considernig the surge in platinum prices. I've also had to put metallurgy on hold.. either that or pay exhorbitant prices for the iron ore.

The equitable thing to do is to have everyone respawn in one place until all the cities for the various races are up and running.. and I do not believe that Hydlaa would be the best option. Far better to make it an out of the way location so that death is a very undesirable option.. if not Oja, then perhaps someplace in the wilderness.. BD area for now? Or, considering the mana that must absolutely permeate the place.. the magic shop area.
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2006, 07:08:57 pm »
i tink the fair'r system to go on this would be:
after creation of character: spawning in the capital(or village of choice) this could be a option on creation menu to chose the location of living when you start the character, a list of the cities were said race would have major control or shared control with other races.

anytime: there could be house/room renting npc that would fix the spawning location to where ever each player choses to live, giving flexibility to the system
« Last Edit: July 30, 2006, 08:06:55 pm by minetus »

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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2006, 08:04:09 pm »
Of course, the clipping problems with fenkis are a bug, not an intentional attempt to make enkis worse!

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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2006, 08:11:44 pm »
Of course, the clipping problems with fenkis are a bug, not an intentional attempt to make enkis worse!

Agreed.

I don't think I said that it was a deliberate attempt at making them worse, and I certainly never meant to imply it.

The point of my previous post was to address the misconception held by some players that Planeshift is sort of a walk in the park for enki's.. even if that walk is all the way from Oja. The race has some difficulties that need to be addressed, and that I'm sure will be addressed in time. Given the option of having either the problem with clipping or a respawn in Oja, I'd take the respawn in Oja for sure.
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2006, 12:44:02 am »
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I utterly fail to see that.
Dunno how else to explain it, there's pretty much nothing to do there, and very few players in the area.

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The devs aren't trying to please new players.  and I don't think you really understand roleplay.
If the devs don't look to please the players, then nobody will play the game.  Obviously the devs are interested in pleasing the players, although within the confines of the gameplay style they laid out obviously. 
This is pre-alpha. We are here to test the game. when the game is finished the devs wil try to please the players. right now they don't care.

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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2006, 12:47:16 am »
I just love it how some people think they can speak for the devs like they can read thier minds.  I'm quite sure the Devs do care about their players.  Care a bunch.

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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2006, 12:51:29 am »
I just love it how some people think they can speak for the devs like they can read thier minds.  I'm quite sure the Devs do care about their players.  Care a bunch.
Devs has said this. I have heard it from thier own words.

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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2006, 08:48:55 am »
Somehow I think you were taking things out of context.  If they didn't care, why even bother to have a public alpha?
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2006, 09:49:40 am »
I just love it how some people think they can speak for the devs like they can read thier minds.  I'm quite sure the Devs do care about their players.  Care a bunch.
Devs has said this. I have heard it from thier own words.

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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2006, 05:39:26 pm »
This thread has degraded from a real discussion to a taking-quotes-out-of-context war. But anyway. I know that the devs are trying to actually make the game rather than please the players for the time being. But the current city setup and respawn points totally confuses newbies. For one thing, finding the way to Ojaveda or Hydlaa is basically impossible without help. I think it could be solved with two things; one short-term and one long-term. A) add signposts to the road so newbies can find the road. B) Add more depth to both cities (especially Ojaveda), so a lot of travel is not nessicary. I also like the "choose where you live" idea, but it would need to be put in the char creation. To change it later, you need to pay an NPC in the city a decent sum of money. This would probably solve the problem of respawn, but the long-term plan would need to come first. that is my opinion, and i don't know if any of this would work.
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Re: Why do enkis have to spawn somewhere different.
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2006, 08:22:24 pm »
What is so wrong with asking for help? Or spending some time exploring. I don't find the roads confusing at all - follow the main paths, and they all lead to something.
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