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Fayodin

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Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« on: August 01, 2006, 05:34:25 pm »
I have been wondering this because, I'd think that you put on some armor and it protects you.

However, we have to level up armor to get the most out of it.  What exactly does training in armor do?  If you train in swords, its as if you perfect your technique, learn new moves and attacks, etc.  But what does leveling up armor do allow you to wrinkle it to the form of an attacking blade?? [assuming its cloth].  Just doens't make sense to me.  Armor should just be a wear and go thing...and repair it once in a while.

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2006, 05:54:26 pm »
Well not to sound rude but have you ever put on full chain mail?? its dam heavy and you WOULD need to train it, to get used to it. Also some armour hinders your movement, so you need to train youself to get used to that. :P
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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2006, 06:45:10 pm »
yea but its easy to get use to things like that.

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2006, 07:00:41 pm »
hmmm have to agree with Fyadon on this on realism.

I mean even if you have to train to get used to the armor would it give more protection becuase of the training? Would it suddenly get thicker or something?

I could imagine you would learn over time the weak spots of your armor and how to give your opponents less opertunities to hit there but thats about it and that shouldn't make a difference in most fights.

Only other thing I can think of is that you learn bettter how to take blows to fully take advantage of the armor by making blows slide away.

I would think the training would indeed decrease the minusses on speed you would get from wearing heavy armor but if you have for example your strength trained very high shouldn't this have the same effect?
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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2006, 10:24:54 pm »
Training also includes the right technique to present your opponent a protecting part of the armor, and to block a hit in the right angle... Leather alone is not very protective when hit directly, you need to practice the right motions to dodge a hit with your protectors.

So I guess... ;)

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2006, 10:54:49 pm »
Training also includes the right technique to present your opponent a protecting part of the armor, and to block a hit in the right angle... Leather alone is not very protective when hit directly, you need to practice the right motions to dodge a hit with your protectors.

So I guess... ;)

that sounds a little more like agility to me.
even so, there really isn't much skill in doing that.

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2006, 10:55:45 pm »
well i think if you are wearing leather, with a few strong point in it. it would be common sense to know not to let somone stab you in the weka points......but then again isnt the main goal not to make sure u only get shanked in the strong points, but to avoid the entire blow ?..it makes alot more sense that instead of training armor you should have to train speed.. because well no matter how much you know if your not fast then it is not going to matter if you know where and how to take a hit anyway...agility and strength would be better options to train then to have a LIGHT armor skill to train...i mean think about it...swat teams they have kevlar flak jackets, you CAN shoot them with almost anything say a 306,308, 22,357....but they avoid the fire rather then just try to make sure u hit them in the chest and not the face lol. i mean yes they train to become used to the protection, but they usualy do that by practicing other things while wearing the armor  ;)

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2006, 11:06:59 pm »
from another point of view: you most probably need more experience in armour to know how to buy a quality one  :lol:
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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2006, 11:09:13 pm »
from another point of view: you most probably need more experience in armour to know how to buy a quality oneĀ  :lol:

Best reason I've heard so far.
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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2006, 03:18:27 pm »
But a little flaw in my "reason" is that you'd have to be experienced in the skill before you would buy it

...or, maybe, it'd work if we'd say that it also counts as how you treat your armour and thus destroy it even more if unskillfull or keep it better in shape and/or repair it better if skilled.  :innocent:
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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2006, 02:38:16 am »
called repair armor

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2006, 04:09:02 pm »
Training also includes the right technique to present your opponent a protecting part of the armor, and to block a hit in the right angle... Leather alone is not very protective when hit directly, you need to practice the right motions to dodge a hit with your protectors.

So I guess... ;)

that sounds a little more like agility to me.
even so, there really isn't much skill in doing that.

Your joking right?
You think that you get into a fight and it doesnt take practice to be able to react to blows with precision and skill, in order to not only protect yourself, but to open up your oponent in turn.
Please.
if you dont have any practice or training, with somting like that then you will Definatly get hit if your opponent is in any way capable of inflicting an attack or damage.

Other than that, I'm also not entirly sure  how "training" armor works, apart from getting used to it, which would simply limit your training to like 10 levels or sothing, and you'd get messages telling you that your armor just gave you a blister.....

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2006, 04:19:34 pm »
i would rather the armour look after me, than have to look after it  ;D

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2006, 01:16:12 am »
I think the Devs oversimplified an old idea of Offense/Defense and tried to implement that, unintentionally bypassing realism in this case.  Subsequently light armor became a symbol for defense, while sword, strength were its counterpart on offense.  Unfortunately training defense meant training light armor which makes little to no sense (as its been previously discussed on this thread). 

The quality of the armor doesn't change with time nor does active use improve the intrinsic strength of the armor.  It makes far more sense that the person becomes more agile within the use a particular armor, or quicker with use, and I think that would be taken care of with the stat "Agility."  However agility with each type of armor is slightly more difficult, and because they aren't the same, each armor must have its own particular technique.  The stat should be more appropriately titled "light armor agility" but I'd argue that it'd be more of a function of experience and not training.  Its quite possible someone in would don some chain mail and actively practice it in a room, getting better with time.  I just don't see it.  I'd also be hardpressed to argue that this is mutually exclusive of "Agility" itself.

I'm sure the Devs will figure it out and remove light armor in the future.  It seems easier to categorize defense by a few stats, namely light armor, and then just level it up.  Perhaps, I can only assume, for playability and not realism.

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Re: Why do we need to level up armor/what does it do?
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2006, 01:35:58 pm »
(did not read ALL the posts so this mightve been said)
Most games have a few things that dont make sense and people get over it. runescape for one is the most wierd mmorpg ive ever played half of that doesnt make sense EG. u hav to be dif lvls to wear dif armors. WOW u need to be a certain class to wear a type of armor/ wepon. it would be pretty hard to make a game fully realistic and if it was you'd just get on with your own life because the computer game is the same. WHO REALLY CARES LOL the system works (i think) and thats all that matters. :thumbup: