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Mindari

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Re: "Secret" Meetings.
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2006, 01:53:39 am »
secret meetings to me, are ones you aren't aware of :S

why do they need to be roleplayed at all?

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Re: "Secret" Meetings.
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2006, 02:41:25 am »
Wait wait, I think everyone misunderstood what I said. I was only using what the Purrty's said as an example, this has nothing at all to do with guilds. I was more trying to bring out the point of people being inclusive.


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why do they need to be roleplayed at all?

This I can understand. I try to role play as much as possible, and I can understand why a meeting has to be role played. Not any specific kind of meeting. But since you would only really discuss things in the world, there's no better place to do it.

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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2006, 02:58:32 am »
No one misunderstood you as far as I can tell, we just went a little off topic and I apologize for that...but it happens.

As for the real topic, I'm not sure I get what you're trying to accomplish with it.  Do you expect everyone to read this and change their mind on it?  Are you saying people should get in trouble for this?  Or are you just venting?  Saying "Play nice" is all well and good but isn't really going to happen.

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« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2006, 03:00:33 am »
...from the one or two experiences I've seen it was just a n00b asking what was going on. Obviously not the best RPing, but they were just curious, not exactly rude. I don't exactly agree with prodding into business that isn't your own, but of course new players are going to be naturally curious.

Courtesy is a precious thing, that can only be taught by example.

Most new players are eager to fit in, want to be included in the fun, and will follow reasonable instructions.

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It goes along with what the Purrty's said a while back about guilds belittling people and making them feel excluded, I s'pose.

People naturally desire to belong, and to have an identity within a group.

They also compete, regardless of talent.

Those who are insecure, and have low self-esteem, often try to convince themselves that they are superior, by insulting and belittling others.

The most insecure, do that as a group.

Sometimes a guild is formed by players who lack social skills, and what you have described sounds like one of those.

Such guilds are usually unsuccessful and short lived, but even so, they serve a useful purpose.

They provide contrasting examples of what not to do, and inspire others to do better, themselves.


And we need them.

They really make the rest of us look great.  :)
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Re: "Secret" Meetings.
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2006, 05:48:39 am »
Do you expect everyone to read this and change their mind on it?  Are you saying people should get in trouble for this?  Or are you just venting?  Saying "Play nice" is all well and good but isn't really going to happen.

Honestly, I don't really know what I was trying to accomplish. I'm really not much of a complainer. I just wanted to bring it to everyone's attention and see if any similar things have happened to them, and just ask about everyone's overall thoughts on such situations.

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Re: "Secret" Meetings.
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2006, 10:47:00 am »
Almost every time I go on PS, I see groups of people standing somewhere out in the broad daylight of Hydlaa and talking. I, usually, have no problem with this. Sometimes, if I happen to be doing something near them, I'll stay and watch. I don't do it to eavesdrop or to be nosy, but just out of sheer curiosity.

Many times I'll see a newer player, or just another confused soul like myself, walk up to them and ask them what's going on. Said player is "chewed out" and asked to leave, sometimes not so nicely.

This is something I do not understand, and something I'd like to bring to everyone's attention. Why would people discussing such important, secretive topics hold their meetings on the street where eveyone is walking? First of all, it is very unrealistic. There are many private places (lakes, upstairs of taverns, tents, empty buildings, etc.) in which these meetings can be held, and many are actually implemented for such reasons.  Second, even if you're in heated discussion and don't want to be disturbed, there's no reason to kick a curious newbie in the rear like they had some major offense.

And finally, why do people feel the need to have such cladenstine events in the open air?  Is it to make them feel important, to gain attention to high-and-mighty?  I'm not sure, but from what I gather that sounds like a valid idea.


People like to feel important and they also crave attention.  Being exclusive and rude to outsiders is one way of achieving this.   In some instances, a member of the group is an alt of a player who may have an OOC grudge against the 'intruder'.


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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2006, 12:14:48 am »
I just realised something, maybe it isnt there fault with the whole secret meeting they arranged. How many chat options has PS got. i know in World of warcraft you have say, tell/whisper, group/party, and raid(consisting of more then 5 members in a group) chat. maybe PS hasnt got that many chat options or maybe its a little to confusing th chat options and the way it is displayed and layed out which is wha i had difficulty with.

Maybe once the GUI and Chat is fixed then these sort of misunderstandings wont occur as often. A chat bubble with the players text over the charachters head would be a nice touch when you want things heard in public within a certain radius. It would make it easier to see whos saying what rather than having to look at the name and then look around for the players name over a characters head.

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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2006, 01:12:00 am »
To me, it all comes down to role-playing.  If you're the kind of group/guild that *would* discuss something in public, then do so . . . as long as it's your characters nature to do so.

Likewise, if your individual character - newbie or not - is curious and/or nosey by nature, then why wouldn't they brazenly walk up to a group deep in personal conversation and insert themselves into it?  Why wouldn't they want to eavesdrop?  It it's what your character would do, then do it.  That's what role-playing *is*.

The only beans I would have with this situation is if the group/guild were to harass such an inquisitive character OOC.  That bites the big kumara.  As other posters have said, whilst most people wouldn't stop upon seeing a group of random strangers talking and simply say hello IRL, this is a game promoting role-playing, and thus promoting that sort of activity - even if for no other reason than for a newbie to 'see how others do it' - and so it happens.  But this is not license for the group to treat the inquisitive player rudely OOC.  If the group see an eavesdropper, and so get their Tuff Guy to roughly tell him or her to beat it, I don't see a problem with it . . . as long as the whole interaction is done in character. 

In this way, there should be no need for a third-party chaperone to then have to tell a newbie finding themselves in such a situation why they've been shut out . . . because the role-playing of being asked to move along should do that.  If, in such a situation, such an inquisitive character gets harassed by a group of players and intimidated OOC, that's when GM's should be notified and those players reported, in my opinion.  But if it's done in character, I can't see anything wrong with it . . . because that's what would actually happen.

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2006, 04:46:42 am »
I just realised something, maybe it isnt there fault with the whole secret meeting they arranged. How many chat options has PS got. i know in World of warcraft you have say, tell/whisper, group/party, and raid(consisting of more then 5 members in a group) chat. maybe PS hasnt got that many chat options or maybe its a little to confusing th chat options and the way it is displayed and layed out which is wha i had difficulty with.

Point taken; however, there are many less-traveled paths (Bronze Doors, Consumer Valley, etc.) that players could go to discuss something important.  Since all this is done IC, it would be even more IC for them to go somewhere private

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2006, 01:53:31 pm »
I agree with the main core of the thread, and I think everyone does.

If a group of characters has a meeting, and its meant to deal with important aspects for those chars, and they do not want to be "catched" then they should hold that roleplay in a suitable location.

What decided me to post here, though, was something I was reported not so long ago, and that I honestly hope that, by now, it's over.

Apparently, and I've no reasons to doubt about it, seeing who were the ones telling me this, there was sort of a "fashion" to see a group of characters, but that said nothing. They were roleplaying in /group. I've enough trust in those players that told me as to know that they approached those groups nicely, roleplayed wise, but got no answer.

Notice the big contrast. We've a group of characters that, from the new arrived point of view is nothing more than a bunch of statues, saying nothing. In the meanwhile, they're having fun with the ones they've chosen to be on that meeting, and ensure that, by using the /group. Two worlds so different, one in front of the other. The player that roleplays around that group, but sees nothing else than statues plainly ignoring him/her, while, at the same time, that group is in frenetical activity of poorly disguised roleplay. It is painful to be told of things like those, and see that they happen. It is painful to see good roleplayers excluded from other people plays, simply because those ones decided to be in a steel bubble, roleplaying in group, selecting with whom they've fun, and appearing as speechless statues to the rest of the world.

My opinion: use the group chat function to partner someone when you go hunting, so you can attack the same NPC at once and share the looting easily, use it too if you're going to keep a long OOC talk with not a single person, but a group of them... but please, do not use the /group function to segregate even more the roleplayer community.
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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2006, 05:02:27 pm »
I think one should be thankful for the PVP settings in the game. If not for those these groups and guilds that have been so rude and excluding to people would just trounce you back to the DR for interrupting, just like if you tried to interrupt a group of nobles or knights 1000 years ago who were having a private conversation. Group and guild chat is in the game for whatever the players use it for, end of story. If this bothers you, then make your own group or guild and then you can exclude others and have your revenge. I think there is a tendency to interpret these things like they happened in real life. How many people in PS has one talked to at once? I was in a group discussion with 10 characters one time. We did it in a back neighborhood in Hydlaa where others were less likely to run across us. It is hell trying to watch the conversation and pick out the threads, because unless the conversation is properly moderated it is REALLY hard to follow. If someone tried to talk to me while this was going on, I would probably just ignore them. I have explained to new players a couple of times that one should just assume that others are talking to at least one other person at once and probably more, and waiting patiently so they can finish and then give you some kind of reply. But if they do not reply, do not bother them: end of discussion. Now, if all of this was about somebody being actually mean and  rude to someone else, then that is definitely unfortunate. I do not encourage that sort of behavior as there is no point to it and you never know when you are talking to some little kid...

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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2006, 10:23:23 pm »
Well yes I have seen alot of people having "secret meetings" but chances are there just a bunch of members of a guild who are talking about somthing important. So I really dont mind about anything they are talking about.