The Team and the Community

[Datruth]

Face it guys, ojaveda has near nothing right now.

Spawning in hydlaa and coming over to oja when you need to makes alot more sense, than spawning in oja right now.

Basically, if you spawn in ojaveda, your gonna be taking long walks every day.

The gold mine, magic shop, strength trainers, other important trainers, arena, sewers, and items are all at Hydlaa.

I mean everything.

My final piece of evidence is it's current condition, hardly anyone is in ojaveda, i mean i could go around and count how many people are in there now, and i'd find less than 10 on average.

My point is, the cities are immensely lop sided.

If the devs wanted to help Ojaveda, they would have made Oja the only place to train and buy Medium armor.

And in the future, make it the only place to train and sell heavy armor.


Also, i also feel i have to address the comments of the Developer known as "jorrit"

He writes:

I just love it how some people think they can speak for the devs like they can read thier minds.  I'm quite sure the Devs do care about their players.  Care a bunch.

Devs has said this. I have heard it from thier own words.

The devs are many people. Not all think the same. In general we DO care about the players. If we didn't we could just as well close down the public server and have an easier time developing and making new features.

Greetings,

You can say you care about a person all day long, but what actual proves it, Action.

There has been some action by the Dev team and moderator team, so i can't say they don't care, they do, probably not enough.

We need more action.


Right now this is how it works, WE are the moderating team, We decide Ojaveda is a ghost town.

No discussion with players.

Verdict final.


Why?


it always goes back to their phony answer,

We're not done with the game yet, your just a tester, therefore, if you dont enjoy the game, stop playing it, your not here to have fun.

You're here to test!

Don't Complain about our decisions.

You're here to test!

We're in Pre-Alpha, and we're gonna have a massive opening in 30 years.

You're here to test!

Why not ask the players, what would you like in ojaveda?

I've never been asked for my opinion, and probably never will, because, it's their game... and...

You're here to test!


Well you know what, if that's all i'm here for, then don't say you care about my Wishes.


~~Restound

[Karyuu]

"Work harder, faster!"

[Datruth]

"Work harder, faster!"

Karyuu, my post wasn't meant to be taken as a joke.

It's theme was that there should be more player participation in the decision making process of this game.

And yes, right now, we are just working, as you put it.

We have no say as to where things should be implemented.

We're just here to test.

Therefore, we do whatever you guys implement.


You have to understand something though.

Sometimes what you implement impedes the Players.

We don't like going on long walks, and we're letting that be known.


I'd think one of the nicest and most intelligent persons on this board would understand what i meant.

You've always been a fair person, so hear us out.

We want fixes, and we want them now.


We won't settle for the Tester theory anymore.


Oja has nothing, and forcing enkidukais to go there is Pure Tyranny, in it's highest form.

If you care, help us, and lets make a better game together.

Developer and Player, hand in hand, step by step.


And that's no joke.

~~Restound

[Karyuu]

"We want fixes, and we want them now," you say? Hm. What have we been doing... Ah, I remember. Sitting around twiddling our thumbs.

Let's ignore the latest combat bugs, and ignore what fixes were necessary to weapon/armor repairs, ignore NPC issues, ignore finishing new content, let's put everything on hold because you think Ojaveda is a dead town, when there are players in this very thread who disagree with you.

I try to post nicely as much as I can, but man, even I'm human and I too have my limits sometimes. If you want to help, please join the team. That's all I can possibly leave you with.

[LARAGORN]

Things have been getting smelly witht the new roads. I mean there are only so many that can wash in the fountain before it is just nasty.

The new waterways are a long over due necesity. I mean, have you smelt the air around Harnquists
Take a walk folks and wash up a bit, PLEASE

As for Oja, I was there today with a few friends and we where totaly occupied for a few hours.
There are many things to do there.

@Datruth, you are very short sighted. If you read threw the forum you will see all that has changed, and continue to change.
Oja is far from compleation, and just cause you whine there is nothing to do and say you want it now, wont change anything (exept peoples opinion of you)

Yes the players are listend to, and there is an open invitation for YOUR opinion in the "wish list" You can suggest anything you want to see, as long as you follow the forum rules


Take it easy, things are comming


Edit; Please stop posting as if you speak for everyone.  I enjoy the walks to and from either Oja or BD

[Santiago]

Datruth:

I wonder who you are talking about every time you say "we". Are you speaking for all of the community, or just for yourself? If it is for the community, I fail to see any evidence that you have been elected as some sort of spokesperson that knows absolutely the opinions of every other person on these boards, and can make categorical statements such as "we won't settle for this" on their behalf.

You are testers. And if you do not like the fact that this project is being developed as a hobby, or that players do not dictate every aspect of its development, you are very free to leave. I apologise if that sounds harsh, but you do not sound very grateful to be a part of PlaneShift. Nobody is keeping you here if you are really this upset about features that will eventually, not immediately no matter how much you complain, be implemented.

[Datruth]

If you want to help, please join the team.

I never said, you are all lazy and not doing anything.

The recent updates, are a clear sign of all the work you are doing.

All i said, was you weren't allowing input from the player community; Which is backed up by people in this thread.


And i like your response, Here is how i read it, "Join the monarchy or submit to it."

Well i would join the dev team, but i doubt i'd be accepted.

But atleast i'll show my interest.

If the only way our opinions will get into the game is joining the team then i will.

I wish to join the team, please provide me with the necessary steps to do so.

Maybe i can voice the concern of the players to you better if i'm considered your equal and not your subservient.

~~Restound

[Karyuu]

I don't understand your attitude here. I truly don't. Why do you feel that the dev team isn't listening? Is it because we aren't waving magic wands and making everything you want appear immediately?

[Santiago]

The point we are trying to make is that we do listen to player concerns, but there are priorities to consider. If we had a team of 200+ members, implementing fixes for every bug found immediately or every feature suggested within a day would be a cinch. As it is, we have less than 50. And this is a hobby, so work is not being done all day, every day, by every team member. Player wishes simply must be queued.

[Karyuu]

I'd be happy if we had even 20 active people, day-to-day. Most of the time we have half that.

[Datruth]

Datruth:

I wonder who you are talking about every time you say "we". Are you speaking for all of the community, or just for yourself? If it is for the community, I fail to see any evidence that you have been elected as some sort of spokesperson that knows absolutely the opinions of every other person on these boards, and can make categorical statements such as "we won't settle for this" on their behalf.

You are testers. And if you do not like the fact that this project is being developed as a hobby, or that players do not dictate every aspect of its development, you are very free to leave. I apologise if that sounds harsh, but you do not sound very grateful to be a part of PlaneShift. Nobody is keeping you here if you are really this upset about features that will eventually, not immediately no matter how much you complain, be implemented.

So now voicing your concern of an aspect of the game makes you "ungratefull"?

I speak for the others in this thread, who feel ojaveda is too far of a walk to hydlaa.

I am not alone in that belief, and i feel a poll of that question will show the majority is on my side.

By the way, you said players do not dicate every aspect of it's development and that makes me mad.

What makes me concerned is we have NO say, as to the aspect of it's developement.

Right now, what do the players decide?

Please enlighten me santiago.

And forcing someone to leave just because they won't submit to your rule is as Tyrannical as you can get.

I mean look at his exact words, "If you don't like it leave".


Maybe if the whole community helped make this game, and helped implement new things, i might say that.

If everyone decided on a certain aspect of the game, I WOULD SUBMIT.

Currently, it's not like that.


I do not like being considered ungratefull, for speaking about a problem which affects the majority of the game.


Nowhere, in any of my posts, will you see that the devs are lazy, and that i hate them.

I have not written that.

My opinion of the devs is that they are a bunch of hard working and nice people, the VAST majority of them.

It is rare to find an uncaring Dev among them.

All i have written is, the devs need to allow player participation in the game.

No more no less.

But i know what your answer will be, I don't care what you want Datruth.

You're here to test!


By the way, where was the info as to how i could become part of the dev team?

I was told, that i had that ability, by karyuu.

[Santiago]

I mean look at his exact words, "you are very free to leave".

I corrected some typos for you.


The player recruitment page can be found on the main website. For your convenience, here is the link.

[Datruth]

I mean look at his exact words, "you are very free to leave".

I corrected some typos for you.

Lol thanks, i leave a few of those when i'm all worked up  .

[Karyuu]

Check the "Help Us" section of the website for an application, and make sure that you leave no blanks when you submit it.

We listen to input, as proven by the Wishlist section of the forums and many threads elsewhere. But what we don't like are demanding attitudes consisting of "We want it and we want it now, we won't take this any longer, blah blah blah."

Hey, this is a hobby and we spend as much time as possible on it. This doesn't mean that we can get content or fixes out immediately or the second we'd like. We have 90% of the time 10-15 people active. They are located all over the world.

What is it that you want, exactly? Why this demanding front, and this claim that you can speak for others? I find plenty of people in this thread who disagree that Ojaveda is nothing at this time.

[Siteri Kidachi]

I think, like a lot of problems, the real problem in this situation is just people's minds. People are too lazy to take advantage of Ojaveda. Obviously there's stuff to do there, but we need to convince more people to do the stuff. Adding more areas will definitely help this situation a lot, but it might end up being only temporary... lots of people went to the Bronze Doors soon after they were available but now everyone's seen them so there's not as much point. We need to change people's minds.

Another big problem is the fact that not a lot of the features are implemented, which means there's not a lot of opportunity to create differences between what's in the areas. Once a lot more of the skills work, it might be possible to put more trainers for some skills in Oja only and other trainers in Hydlaa only. (Once Body Development works for example, a lot of people might go to see the trainer for it in Oja if there isn't one in Hydlaa.)

Once the game's inner workings are settled, then they'd be able to start working on the stuff you can see.

(Of course, that doesn't change the fact that I want more of Oja, for the sake of my character. Come on devs, let Siteri see her family again!)