The Team and the Community

[Karyuu]

Holy crap, take a breather.

Didn't DaveG already tell you that it takes a lot of time to manage prospects? Talad is the only one who looks at folks applying to the Settings department, and he's been really busy lately. No one is trying to silence you, for crying out loud. That's such a ridiculous conclusion. People are just busy. Hold on! As you've already been told, people rarely get tasks automatically or are accepted automatically.

Patience!

*edited to add*

"Wishes of the players aren't being addressed"? Isn't it time you stopped trying to "represent" the community?

I've been a prospect with no tasks for a while now.

Didn't you apply yesterday?

[Siteri Kidachi]

Besides, you can't just join the dev team because you think people will be more likely to listen to you. You have to actually have experience with this stuff. It's like me running for Congress just so I can make laws I like.

[Datruth]

Besides, you can't just join the dev team because you think people will be more likely to listen to you. You have to actually have experience with this stuff. It's like me running for Congress just so I can make laws I like.

"Besides, you can't just join the dev team because you think people will be more likely to listen to you"

If you want to help, please join the team. That's all I can possibly leave you with.

The only way i can help is joining the dev team, as per Karyuu's words, so what other options do i have.

It's either Dev team, or post comments in the wish list.... not much of a choice there is it.

"You have to actually have experience with this stuff. It's like me running for Congress just so I can make laws I like."

There is no need for experience when running for congress, your average rich joe can run whenever he wants.

Just look at the Governor of California.

What about George w bush? Ran for governor out of the blue, he got that, and then he ran for President.

Where is this experience claus of yours written?

And what would experience mean?

Playing previous Rpg's? If that's the case i have.

Writing stories before? If that's the case, i have.

Testing games in beta or alpha? If that's the case, i have.

So i don't know what you're talking about.

Try proving your case better and let the dev's speak for themselves, i'm sure they know more about joining the dev team than you do.

[Karyuu]

You might want to loosen up a bit.

What do you expect to do if you make it to the team? And I mean specifics.

[Xordan]

I should point out that I can't remember any settings prospect being good enough (being able to write a story doesn't qualify you) to pass all the tasks and get in. So don't expect it to be easy. Being impatient also marks you as a bad candidate.

More on topic.. well off topic but on what you said, personally I'm working on PlaneShift for fun, not for anyone else, and certainally not to be [ poked at by pitchforks ] at by players who think their opinions are worth gold and should be implemented right this very second. So basically, I take note of what players might like and try and improve the game, but I really don't care about what demanding players want and I will never care. If they don't like it, don't play. I owe nothing to them.

[Datruth]

You might want to loosen up a bit.

What do you expect to do if you make it to the team? And I mean specifics.

Whatever it is that you do, that keeps you so "busy".

I'd also provide much needed input as well.

Besides, you're all working hard and need some help, you can hardly keep up, as I hear, so i'd help you guys out with whatever jobs you needed finishing.

I should point out that I can't remember any settings prospect being good enough (being able to write a story doesn't qualify you) to pass all the tasks and get in. So don't expect it to be easy. Being impatient also marks you as a bad candidate.

What's with all these attacks on me, i'm loose , i'm patient, geez lol 

Why is everyone all defensive, it's not like i'm taking your job or anything.

Just asking some questions thats all.

And by the way, you never answered my last question,

So i'll mark it in bold this time:

"When was the last time a person was admitted on the Dev team?"

And one more.

"When was the last time you had someone successfully admitted through the settings department?"

[steuben]

"When was the last time you had someone successfully admitted through the settings department?"

* steuben rasies his hand

well it kind of depends on how you mean admitted. i'm but a mere prospect... so far.

[Karyuu]

What do you expect to do if you make it to the team? And I mean specifics.

Whatever it is that you do, that keeps you so "busy".

How will you applying to the Settings department make the team "listen to the players" any more than they already do? What input can you provide that you cannot provide on the forums? Your work will be NPCs and quests

What's with all these attacks on me, i'm loose , i'm patient, geez lol 

I'm not so sure about the patient bit at all. We're annoyed because your attitude is annoying, to be absolutely blunt. It looks like you think you will walk into the team and "clean everything up," work miracles, and make all of the community immediately and forever happy and grateful to you for "representing" them.

"When was the last time a person was admitted on the Dev team?"

I believe that was Helm, who was promoted to WTB two-something months ago in the art department.

"When was the last time you had someone successfully admitted through the settings department?"

Not for half a year at least

[Datruth]

What do you expect to do if you make it to the team? And I mean specifics.

Whatever it is that you do, that keeps you so "busy".

How will you applying to the Settings department make the team "listen to the players" any more than they already do? What input can you provide that you cannot provide on the forums? Your work will be NPCs and quests

What's with all these attacks on me, i'm loose , i'm patient, geez lol 

I'm not so sure about the patient bit at all. We're annoyed because your attitude is annoying, to be absolutely blunt. It looks like you think you will walk into the team and "clean everything up," work miracles, and make all of the community immediately and forever happy and grateful to you for "representing" them.

"When was the last time a person was admitted on the Dev team?"

I believe that was Helm, who was promoted to WTB two-something months ago in the art department.

No need to start mud slinging karyuu, seems like your the first to take fire.

If you consider annoying, someone who is questioning the dev team, then yes, i'm the first annoying person you have, nice to meet you  .

i'd like you to quote some annoying things i've said, once i've seen them, if i deem them so, i'll apoligize for them.

The truth, isn't annoying, and that's all i've been giving you.


By the way, i'm not talking about WTB, Want to be members, I'm talking about Full blown DEVS, like directors.

So i'll ask again,

"When was the last time a person was admitted on the Dev team?"

Prospect: This is the role you are covering now. Your activity is to complete the first tasks assigned. Prospect can move to other roles only if these tasks are completed successfully and approved by department leader.
WTB Member (Want To Be Member): The next step for Prospects to help the project. This role includes more responsibilities, benefits to be part of the internal discussions and planning, access to internal resources.
Member: Obtained after many contributions of good assets and after long permanency on the team. Proven loyalty and passion for PlaneShift project.
Leader: Promotion given by Director, after he demonstrated very strong skills in his department, right communication and relationship skills.
Director: Ensure project progress. Give guidelines to dept leaders, assist in all areas where he is needed. Make the project a success.

I'm talking about either Leader or director.


And karyuu, just so you know, i don't mudsling, so don't expect me to name call.

I feel you are a good, honest, God fearing, person who would never hurt a soul.

And i will never call you anything less than that.

And you asked me how i could help.

I heard you all were VERY busy, and needed help.

So i would help you do, whatever Needed being done. If you had a task and were too busy to do it, i'd help you finish it.

I would also provide input.

I'm not trying to be a savior, i'm just trying to help, one step at a time.

Isn't that what you want from the Planeshift community?

[Karyuu]

God-fearing? I'm not sure Where did I sling mud? I just said that your attitude was annoying.

The last person to be promoted to full-dev status was Cherppow, I can't remember when... 3-4 months ago? However, we're all developing the game and WTBs get the same amount of voice and attention. It usually takes years to be promoted to a full dev, and a ton of constant work and dedication. No one works to be promoted - we work because we love doing what we do.

When was the last time someone became a leader? (You're constantly asking different things in your posts) Before my time. Years.

[Xordan]

i'd like you to quote some annoying things i've said, once i've seen them, if i deem them so, i'll apoligize for them.

We want fixes, and we want them now.

There you go.

Asking questions in bold red is also annoying.

By the way, i'm not talking about WTB, Want to be members, I'm talking about Full blown DEVS, like directors.

WTB _IS_ a full blown Dev. They can do everything any other dev can except they aren't a member of Atomic Blue afaik. A 'Member' is a dev who is a member of Atomic Blue. If you're only talking about project leaders and above, and think that they are the only devs, then we have 5 people. I will point out the highly obvious that we have one project director and one allocated person as leader for each department.

The last time someone became a 'Member' was a few months back (Cherppow). The last person to be promoted to department leader was GeorgeD I think (music dep) a few years back.

[DermorianJeston]

The way I see it, we are damn lucky to even have the ability to play this game, let alone have a forum where we can voice our opinions and suggestions where they COULD actually be listened to. I mean, you dont see Bethesda or Rockstar, or any other game developers who make games as large and professional as this one opening up the server for people to play on before the game is finished. Do you? When I first heard about this game, I knew I wanted to play it just because I would be getting an "insiders" view of it. To be able to play and help test and watch the game and it's community grow is the biggest reason I started playing. Finding out that it was actually a fun and VERY playable game, despite it's development status, was just a refreshing bonus.

Give these guys a freaking break man! This is their HOBBY and they are generously allowing us to play, FOR FREE, and doing a damn fine job if you ask me.

[Datruth]

Give these guys a freaking break man! This is their HOBBY and they are generously allowing us to play, FOR FREE, and doing a damn fine job if you ask me.

How am i not giving them a break, they always get the benifit of the doubt and they hold all the power.

What's with all these attacks on me, just discuss the issue, not the people, is that so hard?

People discussing the game and helping to change it, while it's being made, is that so hard?

[Karyuu]

I don't think you realize just how your posts have appeared through all this. You've been very demanding with your first post, saying that we have a "phony" tester excuse, criticising the devs for not listening to the players at all, then wanting to join the team because you feel you can "change" things.

The reason I said you have the option of joining the team is because you'll be able to help make content. This does NOT mean that you'll be able to get content out before the team says it should be out, nor does it mean that you will be able to make NPCs or change NPC locations/trainers/skills just because it will benefit the players at this very moment in time. It doesn't mean you'll control mining locations, merchants, or monsters. That is Talad's territory. And it's great if you want to join just to help out, but I'm not getting that - from the very first moment it felt as though you want to get into the team just to "have a voice" because the players "need more attention."

Now that feels phony.

And please, this isn't an attack. It's both fact and opinion.

[DermorianJeston]

How am i not giving them a break, they always get the benifit of the doubt and they hold all the power.

Why is this an issue with you? It is THEIR game, THEY are developing it. They dont need the benefit of the doubt, they could just close the servers and develop the game without ANY player say so or opinion at all, just like every other game company. So why shouldnt they "hold all the power". Geez, you act as if this is a country that you are forced to live in with them dictating your every move.

What's with all these attacks on me, just discuss the issue, not the people, is that so hard?

I never attacked anyone. I was simply responding to the issue at hand. If you see that as an attack then thats your problem, not mine.

People discussing the game and helping to change it, while it's being made, is that so hard?

Not at all. Thats one of the very things that I love about this game. However, you are not "discussing and helping", you are demanding and are being quite annoying about it.