/shout is broken. Put your suggestions here-in for fixing it.

[Under the moon]

Command      Parameters           Description

 /shout          message      Talk to everyone within 100 meters of you. Only use /shout in emergencies.


Player response: What? So....? Emergencies? Huh?

n00b response: CAN any 1 gvie me a sword ktnx!


I know you all know what I am talking about. So, we need a better solution that can please all sides. The main thing is, shout is not good for anything as it stands. I have pondered this for some time, and think /shout needs to be changed drastically. The following are my suggestions.

Let's end with a roar, but start with a /whisper

/whisper (or /wh for quick typing): this would only be heard by those very close to you. The radius could be modified by your 'skill' at steath. However, to counter this, players could also have a listening radius. Also based on stats. If the two radiuses overlap, the whisper is heard. If not, the system give out a /me whispers in /saylow radius. Dev says? Do-able, but with some changes in coding.

/saylow: half to 2/3rds the radius of /say. Good for quiet conversations in the Tavern. Dev says? Easy. Good job for a prospect.

/say: done. this is default for just typing as well.

/sayloud: 1/2X larger radius than say. Dev says? same as above.

/yell: 3-4x (or what is called for) larger than /say. Alt command= /speech for RP needs. ""

/shout: Larger than yell, but not as crazy as it is now. the next command is for that.""

/areashout: same as shout now. n00bs can't type that long of a command without leet.   Dev says: Well, didn't ask about this one, but it is just renaming shout, after all. maybe it should be left out...?

Now, things that could be done 'soon' (meaning sometime in the distant future) would be a toggle to lock you into the /talk of your choice. This would save on [oops, wrong chan]s. Others would be tabs to filter /speech, /shout, and /areashout. Along with /auction and /system as well. In fact, it would be nice to have a custom chatbox to show just what you wish to see. Soon.

That is the end of my ideas on this subject. Please continue to add to it. But remember to keep ideas simple. (it is easier to code)

[Mirashi]

I have a better idea. Let's get an active GM to mute everyone who says crap like that.

[SovHed]

heheomgarofllolz0r no
mirashi.... no

I like UTMs idea. I think the current system could use improvement.. However adding all those other ones people would either be majorlly confused. Or they would just use the /areashout one.

Maybe its fine at the moment, just decrease the range on shout and just add a areashout for people who have been active a LONG time like a few months or something... That would surely be better than making lots of different channels.

Customising the chatbox =  Good idea.

HOWEVER: This could just be fixed by undoing an older edit to the box and adding a "Shout" Tab. that was removed a long while ago. Then people could filter just chat and not have to read the shouts. People who want to hear the shouts could just change to shout and hear only the shouts. Simple change: Simple solution: Problem solved.

[Kerol]

I love the ideas, utm.

Before the costumizable chatbox can be introduced and that could also be left additionally, I like to have the /shouting (everything that has bigger radius than sayloud) in a seperated channel.
/sayloud and /saylow are not good to distinguish in auto-completion. A /sayweak and /saystrong might be easier to type.

I had a similar idea just before, about that.
a /shout [strength] [message] with {strength = [weak | normal | strong]} could be an easier way with less fiddling with command names.

That system, together with a dedicated area like an auctionhouse, actually could also make /auction chat irrelevant.
/auction caused a lot of confusion before and is considered now really as a pure OOC chan, which shouldn't be.

I'd like to see all that as soon as possible, but the highest priority IMO is to give /shout a dedicated channel and stop the troubles about the mere usage of it. It's just nonsense to have such a feature but not really being able to use it without disturbing people.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

Mirashi you oversimplify some in my opinion. I agree with the sentiment that something must be done, and i think whatever long term solutions there are for this a short term one might help clear the air.

[ThomPhoenix]

@ Kerol:
Why would /auction be OOC?
Maybe the GM's feel that way, but the players don't.
Now auctions mostly go through websites, and such, but a long time ago people would just shout offers and biddings,
and that's exactly what you do with /auction, so it's not OOC.

[minetus]

i still tink a means of global comunication (eaven if ooc) is a necessety, maybe a option to turn the channel on/off in a chat panel options.. for those that do not wish to see it.

about "voice" volume strenght i agree with kerol in the sub commands for shouting command
this seems the best solution for me atleast

[Karyuu]

A global chat is a bad idea, and I very much doubt that it will be implemented again. Again, because /shout was global in MB and we couldn't wait to get rid of it, it was abused so much. So noooo thank you. Wait for that OOC server.

[minetus]

i see, hmm, i wasnt here in the mb i tink, i did try planeshift sometime ago when the rubys spawned in the dungeons but didnt stay that much to be able to talk about it

still global talk is the best way to help those that are new, i dont know about the disadvantages since i wasnt here to see them..

[Karyuu]

I think that the /help channel is the best way to help newcomers. Players who would monitor the global /shout instead of turning it off should just turn on advisor mode right now, and you have the same effect.

[zorbels]

Why would /auction be OOC?
Maybe the GM's feel that way, but the players don't.
Now auctions mostly go through websites, and such, but a long time ago people would just shout offers and biddings,
and that's exactly what you do with /auction, so it's not OOC.

I have to tend to agree with TomPhoenix. I don't see the auction channel as OOC. I think anyone who does or who wants to see it an OOC act in the game really needs to take a look at how auctions are run in real life. Until given a good reason why the auction channel is OOC, I will not accept that it is and continue to see it as IC.

[Under the moon]

HEY! Auction is not the topic here. Stay focused. Auction has been talked about, and I don't want it here. Find the thread on that and post there.

Ah yes, I forgot to add one more thing that had been talked about as a good idea. A multi /tell command. This could be done with a modified, categorized buddy list (which I have discussed with Venge, and was received as a very good idea, and good task for a prospect), and a /tellall command. Click on on of the categories of your 'buddies' and either /tellall <list> in the chatbox, or click the tellall tab in the list. I will detail the buddy list in another thread to keep this one on topic.

The other option for this could be /tellall Karyuu, Kerol, Sov- Hey guys!

The message received might be: Moon tells you, Kerol, Sov: Hey Guys!

Global chat? Hell no. That should be a GM only command. Use? "Thunder booms loudly in the skies overhead!"  or "Please be advised that the server will be shutting down in a few minutes. Save any work you have been doing and secure your inventory"

[zorbels]

HEY! Auction is not the topic here. Stay focused. Auction has been talked about, and I don't want it here. Find the thread on that and post there.

  Thats fine moon, but I do have the right to my opinion when statements are made and I was focused even though you implied I wasn't. I am sorry you don't want it here, but I felt it had to be said.  Responding to ThomPhoenix statement in another thread would have been quite confusing and may have been over looked, so I am sure you can understand why I posted here.

[miadon]

yes bigger range of shouts is needed, especially for merchants, people selling items, annoucing stuff.

[Karyuu]

Merchants don't scream at the top of their lungs when they are selling their wares. I think the distance of /shout right now is just fine and should not be increased.