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SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« on: August 11, 2006, 04:17:54 pm »
Would you believe it if I said there are players out there that are very aggressive in their style of Role Play(RP).

When they are not having things go their way they use 'subtle' threats.

If one feels they are not getting their way in any given RP - saying that they have lots of friends who would act against those who that person feels are not RPing things the way they want..  - is really not nice! They are practically being a spoilt little bully, especially if part of what is essentially good RP where others are fully immersed and enjoying themselves.

Also - constant tells to others with unnecessary Out Of Character requests for ones RP to take precedence over others is rather rude and pushy...  please just enjoy the time in RP and let others enjoy theirs.   Bear it in mind that it may not only be one pressing for their time...  and so the multitude of tells becomes over bearing and thus ruins their enjoyment in the game.

Please - if you are one who has suffered this, don't stand for it...  tell them to stop!  and if you are the one who does it, even if it is unintentionally - stop it.

Please enjoy the game and interact with each other keeping in mind this is a game for fun...

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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2006, 05:25:20 pm »
totally true. people are getting the wrong impression about this game. that's it's meant for roleplay nazis swapping stories at the tavern. devs have actually said that's a misinterpitation of their goal and yet people still insist anything other than that is powerleveling.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2006, 07:40:31 pm »
Look, roleplay means a lot of things. What it comes down to though is this: you have a character; that character has wants, feelings, mannerisms, ideas, a history, and of course, attributes. The attributes are visible things, your characters appearance, and your character's stats, things encompassed by the game mechanics; these are a part of roleplay too!

The use of stats in roleplay always seems to be an issue... so I want to clarify a bit how this should work when the game is further along in development (it doesn't work this way now, and I'm not sure if it reasonably could, but it would be nice to try).

When you start the game, your character has low stats. What this means is that, contrary to what many do, you should not jump into the game as a master swordsman (or swordswoman... though for convenience sake, I'm sticking to the swordsman example). However, you can be aspiring to become a master swordsman, working on swordplay (killing things) while maintaining the other aspects of your character. Your stats are limiting to some extent... right now the game isn't really a full game, but when it is, you can not roleplay without regard to stats (and it would be nice if you kept them in mind now). That said, you can not play the game solely for stats without regard to roleplay. There is a necessary balance.

You see, that's the important part: that your character is multidimensional. You can't just kill monsters. Why not? Your character has wants and feelings and I doubt those are confined to killing things. One of these wants may be to become a master swordsman... but say your character really values his friends. If one of your character's friends asks for help, he'll probably stop killing things and go help his friend. These two aspects, wants and feelings, dictate your character's actions in any situation he may find himself. As you're playing the game, think what would my character do? Is this action in line with his personality?

Mannerisms: this is how your character interacts with people. Does he speak very formally (thees, thys, thous, etc)? Or maybe he speaks very informally (contractions, abbreviations, crude language--careful with this, there are little kids playing this game)? Maybe he has a certain thing he does when he's thinking (/me rubs his chin)? All of these things make your interactions more real and interesting. Mannerism usually comes from history, though your character can of course acquire new mannerisms over time.

Speaking of history... history serves primarily two roles: one, it gives your character a background: what did he do before now? As you play you add to your history; two, it can be a source of your character's wants/feelings. The most basic example: your character hates bandits because his father was killed by a bunch of them on the road. A little more sophisticated: your character fell from a tree when he was young and broke an arm; now he's afraid of heights.

Well, I didn't originally intend to lecture on roleplay with this post... but it seems that's what I've done. :\ Sorry for the long post! I hope you read it all and think when you roleplay. Remember, you control a character. You should play the game with his/her personality in mind at all times! That's the challenge, and the fun! :)

EDIT: If you aren't seeing the relevance of what I said to the thread... the point is that roleplay is not about what you as a person want for your character. It's about how your character would react when placed in a given situation. If someone's character does something you don't like... well, live with it or log off, but don't ruin it for everyone else. Now if someone's character does something your character doesn't like, then your character can react appropriately. The point is, though: you don't control roleplay, you're a part of it. Keep your character true to his/her personality (you need to have a good idea of what your character's personality is!) and the rest will flow from there.
EDIT2: clarified, typos, etc
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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2006, 09:17:48 pm »
Well I personally modeled my character sorta after my ideal self, so part of me's there  :P

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2006, 03:02:25 am »
Role-Play is not just a game.

The stories are fiction, but the emotions are real.


If someone loves you, they love you.  It does not matter what either of you are pretending to be.

If you betray a trust, and do not warn the other player before you do it, you will really hurt them.

And the only way to be a leader, is to lead for real.


When you RP, you are living the story of your character's life.

So if you want to be a hero, be heroic.  Find a damsel in distress, and rescue her.

If you want to be a villain, kidnap the damsel, but be prepared to be vanquished by a hero, or two or three...  (There is a shortage of villians.)


Be careful, thoughtful and respectful to other players.

And do not be too disappointed, if they should decide not to be supporting cast for your story.

They have stories of their own, and limited time to play.


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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2006, 03:51:13 am »
Role-Play is not just a game.  The stories are fiction, but the emotions are real.  If someone loves you, they love you.  It does not matter what either of you are pretending to be.  If you betray a trust, and do not warn the other player before you do it, you will really hurt them....

When you RP, you are living the story of your character's life....
I don't understand this.  When you are roleplaying, is it your character that is loving another character RP'd by another?  Or are you OOC loving the person who is RPing the other character?  Why should the other person be hurt OOC by your character's IC betrayal?   Perhaps that person's character is, but the person should understand that your character is nasty and back-stabbing, not you right?

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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2006, 04:09:34 am »
Lolitra, Celorrim Purrty Twins: I disagree with many, if not all, of your posts and topics started here and believe my opinions are much greater. The topic of this one is kinda funny - seeing as a lot of the stuff you post is about how things aren't going how you say they should be.
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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2006, 04:14:19 am »
It's funny how you people get so into a game. Venge, if someone is hurt OOC by an IC betrayal, they obviously haven't been outside lately.

And yes, dreys opinions are greater, cause he can mute you IG >_>
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2006, 04:18:44 am »
That is a slippery subject... I have learned to keep IC IC and OOC OOC, but I would be hurt OOC just a bit if someone broke a trust IC, unless it was forewarned OOC, in which case it would not affect me at all. And I do not let OOC dislikes interfere with my character. At one point, Farren was friends with someone i HATED OOC... But we RPed them as friends. Now we are friends OOC too though.


As for how things should be: I think the RPs should have a small outline. Maybe not even a definite outcome, but a small pathway of how events should go, a generalization.




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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2006, 10:29:14 am »
This is not a post about RP...  we try to fit in everyones RP as best we can.  This post was and is, about how people ingame, actually make threats oocly by tell about getting their ingame mates to make your gaming experience hell, if you don't play the way they want you to, or include them in your personal RP.

It is not about me getting mine nor my wife's own way.  It is about the fact people use bully boy tactics to get their way, when their own RP is not gaining them their way.

Also I would never say my opinion is greater than anothers or more valid without at least putting an oppinion and explaining myself - as that is just plain arrogant, all oppinions are valid in some way; if you have an oppinion - state it... rather than just slating those who state theirs, or you just risk looking the fool.

We rarely post for the very reason.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2006, 10:41:46 am »
I'm probably not understanding why this is such a big deal, but I'll put it out there anyway. /report {playername} It's retroactive now.  Their words just got logged and they have been reported.  Should somethign fishy pop up, bam, gm's have a saved log, punishment is given. They don't do it again. you go on with your happy game play experience.  Or is it not that simple?

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2006, 11:36:17 am »
I'm probably not understanding why this is such a big deal, but I'll put it out there anyway. /report {playername} It's retroactive now.  Their words just got logged and they have been reported.  Should somethign fishy pop up, bam, gm's have a saved log, punishment is given. They don't do it again. you go on with your happy game play experience.  Or is it not that simple?

To be honest no it isn't that simple.
I was told either in here or in game [sorry can't remember which and I have searched here] that Devs/Gms don't have time to trawl through pages of report logs so they are virtually ignored.
Secondly the threats mentioned in the first post are veiled and could be considered rp but clear to those of us who have received them especially after several occasions.
Thirdly since some come via skype how will that help?

I can hear the reply to number too already well you are probably imagining it  and the first time I heard it I thought so too.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2006, 02:02:46 pm »
/tells are purelly ooc, unless otherwise stated beforehand and should be treated as such by default.  If they are harrassing you in an ooc manner (in this case through tells without first telling you its IC, so you must assume its not be defualt), you have every right to report them, and as part of a GM's duties, (I hate to use the word police, more like making sure eveyone plays nicely) should they find the harrasment substantial, corrective action should be taken. 

Now, I'm not saying report everyone everytime they glance at you wrongly, but really, if they are cuasing so much trouble to you, after you have polietly asked them to stop, and they still are treating you like dirt then a report is certainly in your reasonable actions you can take to correct the situation.

As for skype, there is an ignore feature.

You are right, it isn't easy as counting 1, 2, 3.  But the problem does have solutions that, to me at least, are easy to see and do.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2006, 03:23:45 pm »
hmm an ic betrayal like the one with janeous didn't hurt me, it amused me
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Re: SO YOUR NOT GETTING YOUR WAY? get over it...
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2006, 04:05:45 pm »
Because it was planned peacer....