Monsters in the streets!

[Venae Rell]

Hey folks, lately I see a few players luring monsters into following them into Hydlaa. 
While it's an interesting event to be sure, there are some RP things I hope those doing it are considering.

One- the city guards would have to have a pretty darned good reason to not simply shut the gates until some Hero/ine(s) can be dispatched to deal with the beast outside the walls.

Two- Though all our characters are generally able-bodied adults, Hydlaa is also populated with children, the elderly, and lots of other people who may not be able to protect themselves very well. Bringing dangerous monsters into the city is a strong statement about one's lack of concern for these people.

I'm hoping that the folks involved with these events are RPing this properly, as some of us are going to be pretty determined to hold them accountable

[Datruth]

Hey folks, lately I see a few players luring monsters into following them into Hydlaa. 
While it's an interesting event to be sure, there are some RP things I hope those doing it are considering.

One- the city guards would have to have a pretty darned good reason to not simply shut the gates until some Hero/ine(s) can be dispatched to deal with the beast outside the walls.

Two- Though all our characters are generally able-bodied adults, Hydlaa is also populated with children, the elderly, and lots of other people who may not be able to protect themselves very well. Bringing dangerous monsters into the city is a strong statement about one's lack of concern for these people.

I'm hoping that the folks involved with these events are RPing this properly, as some of us are going to be pretty determined to hold them accountable

1) You cannot be held accountable for anything in Yliakum, there are no courts, laws, executives, or legislature. So people really have nothing to worry about.


2) Even if you could hold them liable, there is no proper punishment.
Kill them...... so what, they just spawn back....

3) The guards, currently arn't on duty, being that NPC's arn't working or responding, so I would RP them either Asleep or under some sort of Spell by a God.


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On a side note, i enjoy seeing Ulbers destroy the weak, it gives bored people something to do lol.

I've done a few times myself in the past, when my guild went Evil, we had a blast.

And most people, if they are smart, will run away from the ulber, it's not like ulbers are that fast anyway.

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But in general, me being a good person, i can't allow the destruction of the good, so i'd have to agree with you.

I'd personally just go and kill the beast myself if i saw them causing destruction

[Suno_Regin]

...Back when I was playing, I'd be banned on the spot if I did crap like this. So now you can lure ulbers daily and no one rides you for it?

[Datruth]

...Back when I was playing, I'd be banned on the spot if I did crap like this. So now you can lure ulbers daily and no one rides you for it?

why should they? I've never heard it was wrong. It seems perfectly IC.

[Karyuu]

It depends on where you are bringing the Ulbers to. If there are newbies around who are just looking at the game and learning its ways, and some player who thinks it's funny decides to lead in some dangerous mobs that create a very difficult situation for them, GMs will approach that player (or that group of players) and ask them to stop. Gameplay is supposed to be fun - new players don't log into the middle of a town and expect to be attacked by monsters way beyond their skills to defeat.

[Pestilence]

1) You cannot be held accountable for anything in Yliakum, there are no courts, laws, executives, or legislature. So people really have nothing to worry about.


2) Even if you could hold them liable, there is no proper punishment.
Kill them...... so what, they just spawn back....

3) The guards, currently arn't on duty, being that NPC's arn't working or responding, so I would RP them either Asleep or under some sort of Spell by a God.

Is it just me or does this describe bad RP based on not finished gamemechanics?

1. No laws, no courts? Ofcourse there are. RPwise you'll have to play they do exist and do respond seeing it's obvious from the setting we aren't living in a civilization who would be lacking those. Second OOC we have GMs and rules aswell so wrong on both counts

2. no proper punishment OOC I think you mean. As IC you could get any punishment humanly concievable not disallowed by the setting. OOC there are things like banning. So again wrong at both counts

3. Asleep or Spell by god? Thats just ridiculous. They are standing right there by the gate. Just becuase gamemechanics aren't advanced enough doesn't mean you can just ignore them in RP

All in all rather OOC viewpoints mixed in this "RP" view I have to say. Making the action itself rather OOC aswell and not RP evildoing.

[Ambiguous-Existence]

can they just punish them by giving them a large fine or like eventually loosing a good standing reputatiopn so that gaurds if they were working would kill them on site. hen again you would need police in the game as people jobs, or npcs that would isuue the fine and take there money which could possibly go to the people running the city.

[Suno_Regin]

Well, that being said, DaTruth you are in a position to get banned right now if you are the person luring.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

I Like it!

Haag recently lured all the ulbers to just outside the gates to oja because a "good" (i dont believe most noobsy tweekers in ps know how to play either good or evil in yliakum) guild was having a guild meeting on the other side of the doors. Haag did it as a wickedness. I know this is not the same thing.

I think itd be nice if you could rp making monsters invisible (coming soon tm [i know you will probably only be able to cast this on yourself]) and sneaking them past the guards and such . . . Perhaps a cloud of darkness obscures them as they enter . . . Of course if you are caught you should expect consequences (either by your willingness to rp being caught, or by the challenges of the "good," or even the city guard guild).

I am sure it will be made impossible to lure monsters in soon by the code so the whole argument is likely moot, but i dont think it should be impossible . . .

Eventually it'd be nice if "evil" (again i have so little faith in the capacity of people to play evil) folks could actually use glyphs to summon hordes of monsters into the cities [I know talad made the glyphs so this won't happen, but could they not be perverted, by laanx or the blackflame?]

As far as noobs and mobs . . . run away little noob . . . fear can be fun in an rpg, and even death results in an exciting rp oppourtunity to discover the death realm

ulbers in the tavern! yay!

[Suno_Regin]

Xillix, you can't assume that they're making an invisibility spell...and one time Rokani, I think her name was, morphed me into a consumer and I was running around in the tavern scaring the crap out of people...but yeah, it'd be fun, OOCly, to have ulbernauts all over town again. Drey needs to make another event like that.

[Easton]

some people who have built their own CVS version know what glyphs are coming. And let me tell you, there are lots. So yes.. there is a way to know if an invisibility glyph is coming.

But on topic: I personally think there are better things to do than lure huge monsters into the plaza. Sure, some find it fun to kill the things, but seriously, its nothing constructive (and not very destructive either). Might as well be writing a good story for an evil character that can summon creatures at his/her will. So when a summon animal glyph combination is available, you can use it to your advantadge.

I've got more to say, but i'll yield for a bit..

Easton

[Suno_Regin]

Well I know this thread's full of crap anyway. Back when I was playing as Kenti, in that one guild...Atrox something? I completely forget the name...anyway, I kept luring rogues and other things into Hydlaa with ease, and I was warned several times that if I did it anymore I'd be banned. So now, all of a sudden, after I stopped playing as him and went on to abandon the identity, this is allowed? I was doing it for a partial IC reason anyway...rogues aren't monsters, they're people, and we had plenty of people to send in, like mercenaries, to create chaos in Hydlaa. So why is it that everyone's able to get away with luring a monster into Hydlaa? Sure "evil" is a bad excuse in certain ways, but still, by doing this we gained quick reputation, yet half the things we did were against the rules according to Zayek...

If we can't send our own soldiers, rogues, thugs, whatever into some place, say as a job hiring, to raise hell in some place, and can't scam/steal from people, or do all these other things without getting banned, what's the point of there even being evil? As long as it's IC, I really don't see the problem. I know people who were evil IC, say Setill, but OOC they helped others and did all these things. So say, because we're evil, we wouldn't be nominated as people who could possibly become game masters and help out, hold events, and all these other things? Being evil IC completely makes you hated within the community, OOC and IC? That's stupid.

Right now I just want to know if luring's allowed or not. Back when I did it, it wasn't, so is it still that way?

[Easton]

A few things to mention:

1. with the tribes system that will eventually be implemented, NPCs will act on their own (artificial) will. Meaning, a group of rogues may band together and enter a city to wreak some havoc.

2. the game is Alpha. Not all skills have been implemented yet, and yes, it sucks. But, you just have to kinda suck it up. Nope, you can't pickpocket, but eventually you will be able to. in the meantime, maybe you could plan something you will use in the future. Set up an alliance of evil guilds. Or start your own. The reputation you get from bringing strong creatures into a city is just a nusiance player more than an evil character. Anyways, if someone is so desperate for a reputation that they drag rogues into Hydlaa.. well.. that kinda says it all..

[Karyuu]

Suno: Like I said in my previous post, it depends. Are there newbies around getting killed, complaining that people are making things very hard for them? If there are, luring will be stopped. Are newbies being protected by older players and having a blast too? Then it's okay.

A lot of rules change, Suno. Don't be upset over it - things that weren't allowed in the past could be allowed in the future because of other influencial changes. And more often than not, the changes are for the better. So why complain about something that you couldn't do before, that you may be able to do now? Go with it and have fun with the present.

[Suno_Regin]

I would, but I no longer have any IC reason for this...and I'm tired of making 14 different characters for these things. I'd like to delete them all and start over as a newbie who knows nothing about the game again, but that's impossible...just doesn't have that feeling it did a year ago anymore.