Save the Evil Ones

[Santiago]

If you are roleplaying evil, and your character tricks somebody and steals their weapon, that is evil. And there is nothing wrong with it! And should not be punished in an OOC fashion, as long as you are roleplaying and not being OOC yourself. But if you were to abuse a game bug to steal the weapon, that is obviously much different.

[RilucH]

is a insult tell a dwarf when he ask you to leave becouse he was first....)(the npc have no owner),tell him :"sorry, i dindt saw ,you ´re too small, i though you were a bug..."
is a insult tell soemone "better leave if you dont want to die"
is a insult tell someone female character that is fatter than before?
i think i do not insult i fight with words and plays with the irony,and my game is try to set upset the other character with words to make me heat and make born bad fellings against my character,i understand it can be not nice sometimes,but i think that the way must be the evil rp ,i think have not to be nice.
but i have never ever insulted anyone directly never ever have said thinks like (shi* fu* su* a*s*le* idiot ) etc etc etc,becouse my character is rude ,but me,the real one isnt,im and educated person and i like respect  all and being respected too) i have been insulted directly in-game ,and i have never reported that.
the steling weapon was like this :
i shout near harnquist that i repair weapon for free,any weapong,well someone get there and gave me her better weapon and a kit,when ready i runaway to the arena,but my evil action desafortunatly was short.
what is wrong with that???i lie and steal ,im sorry for the one who trust in me,but in rp you must know i n who you trust,or as the gm says if you trust anyone "suffer the consecuences"
my last word is that many players dont let grow evil characters,but they dont do it rplaying ,they do reporting and sometimes telling lies too.(is MORE evil say lies about an evil character)THINK ABOUT IT

( santi)

[Anfa]

the steling weapon was like this :
i shout near harnquist that i repair weapon for free,any weapong,well someone get there and gave me her better weapon and a kit,when ready i runaway to the arena,but my evil action desafortunatly was short.
what is wrong with that???i lie and steal ,im sorry for the one who trust in me,but in rp you must know i n who you trust,or as the gm says if you trust anyone "suffer the consecuences"

There is nothing wrong with it as long as the thief has his challenge on auto-accept and if caught and killed [or yields] returns the stolen weapon...to rp a thief that can never be caught and punished or forced to return the stolen goods....? [not good RP]

Just my two trias worth..

[Nikodemus]

The worst in all this is the fact the owning rules and lack of mulitia which would respect the law is OOc by itself. Now try to steal, when no matter what you do it will be OOC dues to the fat that owning rules are OOC ;P And so we enter a swamp of mixed IC and OOC. Being evil but only and ever in IC way is really hard.

[zhai]

I think that if you want to play evil you gotta think of two things:

A) RPing evil doesn't mean you gotta be a punk: Stealing items will be in the OOC borderline because there is no way for the victim to get the item back. If there was an IC way, it should be allowed or if you give the person the opportunity to find it or get it back it would be a more complete RP on your part. Besides, you don't have to actually steal anything at all. It's enough if you RP that you do, pickpocketting, for example. You can use a /roll command to determine success and if you get a certain number your victim may be able to realize what you tried to do. In any case you would be giving people something to talk about.

and,

B) RPing evil doesn't you have to do random crazy things: saying I insult people, I challenge random people (without even talking to them before), or I bring ulbernauts to populated areas doesn't necessarily qualify as "good" evil. Evil characters don't have to act like spoiled children. Your character can be a very lawful evil character. Their bad deed would need to be carefully planned. I like the idea of making enemies and RPing with them one at a time, planning evil things for each one of them.


As for the dwarfettes... I know 6 (and one of them is an alt of mine ).

[eldoth_terevan]

This thread kept reminding me of something all night, and I finally remembered: Walpurgis XIII by Mike Resnick. I think anyone here interested in this subject should read this short but fascinating fiction novel. Also very good, though not necessarily concerned with evil exclusively is Santiago by the same author.

[Narure]

Some characters will evil things for the attention mostly, so will tend to do things such as bring ulbers to harni, rob people at harni and just generaly be evil around harni because thats where they get most attention. I dont know if im just very bad at it but ive never found it hard to be evil and dont get the fuss. Though i do get reported alot nothing ever comes of it. Oh and i am a very nice player in my opinion.

[Santiago]

This thread kept reminding me of something all night, and I finally remembered: Walpurgis XIII by Mike Resnick. I think anyone here interested in this subject should read this short but fascinating fiction novel. Also very good, though not necessarily concerned with evil exclusively is Santiago by the same author.

What an odd coincidence.

[eldoth_terevan]

This thread kept reminding me of something all night, and I finally remembered: Walpurgis XIII by Mike Resnick. I think anyone here interested in this subject should read this short but fascinating fiction novel. Also very good, though not necessarily concerned with evil exclusively is Santiago by the same author.

What an odd coincidence.

Yes, I was a little curious if you would say something... I will stop hijacking this thread now. But the reason the discussion/debate on evil will continue long into the future is because it is not simple. Hence my bringing up that novel. Thank you.

[RilucH]

I think that if you want to play evil you gotta think of two things:

A) RPing evil doesn't mean you gotta be a punk: Stealing items will be in the OOC borderline because there is no way for the victim to get the item back. If there was an IC way, it should be allowed or if you give the person the opportunity to find it or get it back it would be a more complete RP on your part.

-Look,i dont have to give the solution to the trouble i cause served in tray and solutionated,the victim must ask for me,answer me,search for restore his item or restore his honour.i made a cause,now the other side envolved, must have a effect,the main in rp (AS I SEE) is the cause-effect reaction,and that is what i search for in others,and believe me, i have made many friend this ways,and many enemies.
b-there is not must be a reason for being evil or make evil things ,(a thief in real life ,sometimes steals without reason why,so it dont have to be justificated in-game if i plays evil character and do injustificated pranks)and the rules must be applicated always and not to covenience.
-Is not easy to identificate a childhood roleplay with a evil rplay,the victim always intentents that the evil player give some explanation of his acts,and the question is silly by itself, the answer is that the character is evil

my last trouble begun when a dwarf intents sell to a friend a ruined battle axe by 3 k ,i was informed and i speaks not politely at this person not to sell weapons at excesive pryce,i told the rules of 25 % over the original selling price,all this  arrive at a GM and its answer was this: that rule was an advice in the forums and that was an as indicative rule and ,what set me congealed was that told me  that yliakum has undergone a great inflation.... somebody  explains me  this please- the rules as I see that they are applied to greater or smaller rigor depending on who broke it.... Who are the judge to do worth the rules
the rules of the forum are rules or are behavior advice?
the rules of the forum change of strict rules to behavior advice depending on the person who this implying in the question. it is what I see
  

c:punk=anarchy
i believe that the chaotic evil needs some anarchy to break the peace.

[Maerghaine]

Ok.  You didn't ask for it, but here are my two trias worth:

1.  Personally, I am fairly chaotic, good.  (Think of Robin Hood)  If you drop gold ore in the mine, I will most likely pick it up.  If you tell me it was an accident, i will most likely return it.  I have collected "stashes" left by greedy people, who most likely intended to return for them, but at the same time have helped people who have lost everything in their inventory through no fault of their own, and have added to their things when some were lost indefinately.  That doesn't make me bad or good, but human (humanoid).

2.  Some people create evil characters and expect people to flock to them and be their best buddies.  I don't invite thieves into my home because they may steal from me.  My character doesn't want to associate with evil-doers for the same reason.  This doesn't mean i don't appreciate your RP, or not like you OOC; it simply means my character doesn't want to be around you.  There are other characters who are not evil, that my character does not wish to associate with for many reasons.  If you choose to play a certain manner, expect the consequences of how other characters will react to you.  Some people don't want to be around my character because they a. think i'm a "goody two shoes", b. can't accept my promiscuous attitude, c. can't allow for occasional slips in syntax (accidentally saying something out of char without using []).  Humanoids are judgemental, me included.

If you choose to be always good, or even sometimes good, expect some people to sneer at you.  If you choose to be always evil, accept that some (or maybe most) will not like you.  However, if you are evil or good, for heaven's sake do not continually /tell, follow, or otherwise be continually annoying to someone who is spending hours simply trying to avoid you....THAT is harrassment, and it has nothing to do with IC.

do with this what you wish..
Maerghaine

[Mindari]

my opinion is that it is best to not even think about good/evil crap, and simply reacte to each event as you think you should, without  thinking "im evil i will do XXXX" without trying to act realistic responces.  even an unkind person isnt going to insult every single person they meet

[zanzibar]

The line between IC and OOC is just plain dangerous.  This one time, I incinerated a fenki infront of Harniquist.  When she /spawned (back then, you could use a cheat to warp directly to Harniquist at any time), I made the remark:  "*sniff* Does anyone smell burnt cat?"  In response, she made a petition about me to a Game Master.

Another time, I was with a friend in the tavern.  I half accused another character of being involved with a relatively dislikeable underground organization.  What happened then was her real life boyfriend showed up at the tavern, made a bunch of crude insults at me, then told me he wanted to fight me.  So I walk outside (unarmed).  As soon as I step out, I get challenged.  I equip my daggers, then accept the challenge.  He did this little dance while I just stood in one place.  He ran at me, I hit him, he ran a safe distance away.  He ran at me again and I finished him off.  The result?  Five minutes of insulting tells where he, among other things, accuses me of cheating in the fight.  He would later come back and "/me spits in Shalmaneser's face".  I "/me dodges effortlessly" of course, but do you think that his actions were IC or OOC?

[Maerghaine]

my opinion counts for little, but since you asked..

I do not think your comment was "reportable"...if indeed, that was the entire event.  (i even think it's funny)

i think the boyfriend's actions, while excessive were not OOC, as i have spent much more than 5 minutes avoiding...irritants, who i never thought to "report", but put on ignore.  i have gone the long way arount the plaza just to avoid someone i knew was "hanging out at harnquists" to get from the arena to the new oja road gate.   The acid test, for me, is, did either one of these people come back to bother you again, the next day?  or the next?

also in my opinion, his taunting you without accepting a challenge from you is just lame.  since tells are considered OOC, his comments in a tell, are allowed to be OOC.

[zanzibar]

All tells are assumed to be OOC, unless your're whispering to someone standing next to you.