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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2006, 07:36:06 pm »
Ok Xalthar, I think everyone gets that you know more about metal then them...can we move on?  Because I don't think anyone really cares as much as you seem to think they do.  Arguments over genres are as annoying as arguments over alignments.

As for the band you recommended zanzibar the vocals kind of get on my nerves, which is usually my problem with metal I like the music but hate the vocals...they do sound like they'd be a much better band to see live, however.

Actually I don't care if they, or you care. They respond, they get an answer. Simple as that. If you have a problem with that, bring it up with the moderators.

I was recommending bands in between the arguments, so if you dislike black metal for any reason, just ignore my recommendations. I'd be happy to recommend something else should you have any other likings in the huge world o' metal.

As a closing remark, lets just say I have a soft spot for metal, and don't like to see it mixed up with something that's obviously not of high enough quality to be considered metal.

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2006, 08:05:16 pm »
I am a huge metal fan, I play guitar and sing professionally in a metal band, it is what I do. Dani and the rest of Cradle define themselves as "black metal" now who are you to say they arent if that is what the band say they are? Secondly "true" black metal is supposed to be very dark and very theatrical, not gritty etc, I think you are thinking of doom/doomcore/blackened doom metal ie Raging Speedhorn blah blah blah.  And also, you DON'T know more about metal than everyone else, in fact if you did you wouldn't be so elitist with your bulls*it comments, you may have a 'soft spot for metal.' Good for you, metal is my life my career and my state of being, don't try forcing your ridiculous ideas upon other people. I thankyou  :thumbup:
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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2006, 08:12:59 pm »
Cradle of Filth is black metal, they just aren't very good.  Black Metal is flashy and melodic.  Compare Emperor to Meshuggah....

No it isn't.

Black metal is "simple", noisy, gritty and most of them tend to focus on live performances (some don't perform live though). The "true" stuff, as us metal heads like to call it, is often underground and often has bad production. Most black metal of old started out that way, most new true black metal does too. The bad production is  part of the reason why it is defined as "simple", noisy and gritty. For a perfect example of this, try finding some of the free media the band called Svartpest has lying around.

I don't see a reason in comparing symphonic extreme metal to technical post thrash though... The old Emperor was black metal, it followed the above "formula", the "new" stuff isn't. Far from it, in my oppinion.


You can't define a genre by production values.  Because most black metal is underground, it tends to be recorded cheeply.  But being recorded cheeply does not make a band black metal!

And black metal is NOT simple.  Not in the slightest.  And it's much more refined than noisey genres like noisepunk or screamo.
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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2006, 08:23:51 pm »
can't y'all just stick to the fricken topic? >_>

man, you lot always start trailing off with your difference in opinions, for once just nod and smile, it does you no harm!


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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2006, 08:41:34 pm »
can't y'all just stick to the fricken topic? >_>

man, you lot always start trailing off with your difference in opinions, for once just nod and smile, it does you no harm!


beatdrop ftw :|


I'm not complaining about where the topic has travelled, and it's my thread.  Bugger off.
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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2006, 08:44:02 pm »
hurm. no

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2006, 08:47:46 pm »
kissing teeth, where has this thread led too??

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2006, 08:53:37 pm »
it aint "your thread" if it was, the damn thing would be locked and no one allowed to post their opinions apart from you

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2006, 08:56:41 pm »
You can't define a genre by production values.  Because most black metal is underground, it tends to be recorded cheeply.  But being recorded cheeply does not make a band black metal!

And black metal is NOT simple.  Not in the slightest.  And it's much more refined than noisey genres like noisepunk or screamo.

Strictly musically speaking, most black metal is of a very simple formula, and this isn't meant in any derogatory way, I should have worded it differently in the previous reply.
The new Emperor, Dimmu Borgir, and Cradle of Filth is not black metal. It might be somewhat extreme, but it just isn't black.
 Black has a special sound to it that is somewhat hard to define. It doesn't come from poor production, no. But the primeval, dark and brutal sound of true black metal is "simple", in a natural way. Bands like Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth have certain symphonic elements to their music that is pretty far from black metal and some parts are rather complex. Other black metal bands of old, like Darkthrone, Satyricon (to some extent), Carpathian Forest, are in contrast to the above mentioned symphonic extreme bands, drifting towards "punk", which is a pretty much non complex genre too, and away from metal as a whole. A sad development really, but I guess the brutally satanic, malechauvenist, axelopping vikings are a thing of the past :p

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #54 on: September 27, 2006, 12:03:16 am »
Heh, sorry Xalthar - but unless you want to label the latest Empreror/Cradle/whatever album with something ridiculous like "Symphonic/Depressing Dark Funeral Metal" (yes, I read this in a review and had a good laugh :D), the major genre above it all is still "black metal". This is not my opinion, but pretty much the opinion of every fan-zine out there. There's no doubt that their stuff is more "family-compatible" in a way compared to, say, Gorgoroth, but the lyrics, the drums, the speed after all is still black metal. The melodic element is just a variety, as is the lack of an e-bass or a second drum set with other bands.

Any band you can put a clear label on will get boring after the second album. A lot of bands (and this isn't exclusively true for the metal/rock scene) produce albums that are comprised of a number of songs from different genres or subgenres. Try to grab "Moonlyght - Progressive Darkness" if you can, and put a clear label on a single song. You can't. There's many great musicians out there that manage the spilts between genres and subgenres. If I asked you something like "What style does Emperor play?", unless you want to write an essay, what would be your reply? ;)

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #55 on: September 27, 2006, 12:19:23 am »
I still don't subscribe to the idea that production values determine genre.  To me, it's about the music itself.  I think I understand why you disagree though.



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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2006, 08:52:54 am »
Dethklok....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C4FqTfFma8
second episode-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNmu__4edW8
For anyone having not seen it on the tele.
Funny comedy with some decent metal sound I have to admit, least music wise.
Plus all the other episodes there.
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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2006, 10:05:35 am »
I think i read somewhere that Cradle of Filth was symphonic death metal, I like them, but i didn't put them as i knew they weren't playing heavy metal :P

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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2006, 12:29:04 pm »
i used to listen to System of a Down alot, and i mean really a lot, like 7x12hours a week. but with their latest album (which is great) i started looking for something more heavy, aggressiv in sound (SOAD lyrics are still very aggressiv). and so i ended up with Slipknot. the massive wall of sounds & drums just gets me the kick in the morning i need to spend my day at work, fixing stupid server problems and deal with annoying (java)developers.

i "tried" other bands like Slayer or Korn, but they are just too boring to listen too. Don't get me wrong, the instrumental parts are great, but the lead singer's voices in both bands are always the same, no variation what so ever.

as with Slipknot, you get the whole package: lots of different music/voice styles, massive drums and guitars, wooha rock&roll ;) so now its Slipknot im listing to 7x12hours a week, sometimes varying with "Stone Sour", the side project of two Slipknot members (which is not a bit as "heavy" as SK but still kinda rocking).


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Re: Heaviest metal band you listen to?
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2006, 01:18:22 pm »
i used to listen to System of a Down alot, and i mean really a lot, like 7x12hours a week. but with their latest album (which is great) i started looking for something more heavy, aggressiv in sound (SOAD lyrics are still very aggressiv). and so i ended up with Slipknot. the massive wall of sounds & drums just gets me the kick in the morning i need to spend my day at work, fixing stupid server problems and deal with annoying (java)developers.

i "tried" other bands like Slayer or Korn, but they are just too boring to listen too. Don't get me wrong, the instrumental parts are great, but the lead singer's voices in both bands are always the same, no variation what so ever.

as with Slipknot, you get the whole package: lots of different music/voice styles, massive drums and guitars, wooha rock&roll ;) so now its Slipknot im listing to 7x12hours a week, sometimes varying with "Stone Sour", the side project of two Slipknot members (which is not a bit as "heavy" as SK but still kinda rocking).




I love all of those bands you just mentioned. I was going to reccommend Stone Sour to you, but then I saw the end part of your post :D

I used to love slipknot, though not quite as much now.

Enter Shikari. I love that band.