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Kiirani

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I'm sorry.
« on: October 07, 2006, 05:42:14 pm »
I've needed to get this off my chest for a while, so here goes.

For a long time it has been my strong belief that all characters in Yliakum should react to the RP around them as if it were real, whether they like what is happening or not. The world should be treated as if it were real. In real life, you cannot say OOC that you don't particularly feel like being robbed today and ignore the man with your wallet in his hand, and the same goes for games like Planeshift.
However, on Thursday September 28th, 2006 (NZ time) this is exactly what I did. I was walking into the temple to see if the Holy Script quest was working and Duraza was there, with Duvare his prisoner, fighting for her life, and I simply said OOC that I couldn't be bothered dealing with yet another evil character, probably with incomprehensible power**, and walked out, breaking character as well as my own rule that all which happens in the world should be treated as real, whether the player is in the mood for it or not.

I'm a hypocrite, and I'm sorry.

* Kiirani hangs her head and walks away

** Not exact words
« Last Edit: October 07, 2006, 08:44:59 pm by Kiirani »

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2006, 06:17:44 pm »
This is why I have "OOC Moments." I'll login completely OOC, and act like my character isn't there IC, maybe even pretend to be the common noob and run around so people won't bug me. It's a good way to get quests or merchanting trips finished without being disturbed.

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2006, 06:29:01 pm »
understands completely kiirani :)
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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2006, 07:14:18 pm »
I don't take it personal if someone won't RP with me because they don't wanna deal with my character's "issues" or because they are just not in the mood. That's fine. RP should be fun for everyone not just one fo the parties. Some players however tend to impose their RP on others (and even give instructions!) and that shouldn't happen. If you don't wish to join a particular RP I think that a /tell or a [no thanks] thing should be heard. In this case, maybe the "I couldn't be bothered dealing with yet another evil character, probably with incomprehensible power" was a bit uncalled for. Your entitled to your opinion of course but as you know you broke their RP more with those words than just by walking away. It's ok to choose what RPs you get involved with, but you gotta choose your words as well. No need to be rude. They should respect your wish not to join as well as you should respect theirs to keep their RP going.

*Daheaz chuckles as it sounds like he's starting to give morals...*

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2006, 08:15:50 pm »
I'd like to point a quick thing out.  Duraza's RP is actualy quite enjoyable, I'm mostly just watching it happen but, still, quite fun.

And nobody is perfect Kiirani, don't worry about it.  Sometimes RL will get in the way of RP, it's unavoidable.

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2006, 08:40:10 pm »
She wasn't even talking about real life. =/

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2006, 10:30:25 pm »
Hmm,

I'm pretty sure it was the person behind the character than didn't want to be dealing with another evil character, Suno.

That would be her feeling in real life.

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2006, 10:37:42 pm »
Uh-oh, you're going straight to hell now. :P

I don't think this sort of thing should be a big deal. In the "real world" as you put it, you don't come across someone trying to take over the planet and/or beat you into submission every time you turn a corner, so I think it is understandable if you don't feel like joining up with every single RP you meet. Also, in the real world, not everyone lives in a single city. :P

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2006, 11:26:13 pm »
Also, in the real world, a public, very popular, temple to a highly worshipped god, the priests that work/live there aren't going to let some random character waltz in with a prisoner either.

If it were me, well, I would have ignored it and gone on with my day simply becuase thats about the dumbest spot I have heard of to hold a prisoner when you think about it.  Second only to hold a prisoner captive in front of, say, Harnquist's shop. 

Maybe if they were in, say, the bottom of the sewers or someplace a bit more remote, but the temple?  Nah.

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2006, 03:01:08 am »
Second only to hold a prisoner captive in front of, say, Harnquist's shop. 


Kinda like murdering someone in front of harnquist's? :P

Heh. Oh dear, now I feel better about it :p You horrible, horrible people.

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2006, 12:55:58 am »
First of all, from what I can deduce of the situation I can only second your move. It's very likely that I'd have done something similar (most likely I'd not have said anything, not even OOC-ly).
It is, and always has been, my opinion that yes, the game world must be treated realistically at all times by the players. However, this also means that stupid and unrealistic things are not to be done, as they're not RP. Unrealistic powers fit in that category as well as unofficially assuming official posts, disregarding the settings, or just generally unrealistic "RP".
In order to defend one's own RP from this pseudo-RP, one must ignore it, since participating in it would degrade one's own RP, and that must not happen.

I can't know whether Duraza RP'd unrealistic powers or not, but if, or if in doubt, ignoring the RP would thus have been the most reasonable thing to do.

Secondly, there also are exceptions due to the fact that PS remains a game, whether we like it or not.

- time constraints and the resulting temporal displacement of RP sessions or parts of them, including postponing an unfinished RP session, resuming it later and the place then being busy with other RP, etc..
- limited locations ingame, meaning that locations must be used by multiple RPs, occasionally at the same time, or for RP that would take place elsewhere if this elsewhere would exist, as it realistically should (for example, The DR is a catch-all for anything that requires an offworld location). In fact, this would make it bad RP to join in on RP being conducted in a place used for lack of proper place, because your char would not be there IC-ly.

These two mean that it may very well be that two characters are at the very same spot in PS at the very same time, both being 100% IC, and still be completely OOC with respect to each other.

- players merely re-joining some RP and passing by other RP (for example, when during RP you fell off a hill and died (for OOC reasons), or had to go AFK for a while and the RP has moved)
- players testing things (even though I have a dedicated test-only char there are situations where it's just impractical to use it); this is the situation you were in AFAICS, and it means that you weren't there IC-ly, and thus couldn't participate in RP.
- players grinding in order to get their stats closer to their RP for the odd case of it being useful
- lastly, player mood is a factor. While one should IMO not log on when one isn't in the mood to RP, there occasionally is RP that doesn't quite fit one's mood. Instead of risking to harm that RP, it's usually better to not participate and look for something else or come back later. Also, there is no point in getting frustrated by engaging in RP that you don't enjoy. Note that this refers to the player only. Whether the character is in the mood or not isn't important.

There occasionally are situations where I'm somewhere OOC-ly while IC-ly being elsewhere, like when there's RP that my char can't participate in ATM but which I nontheless enjoy and thus would like to observe (after requesting permission from everyone else involved, of course). This, however, only works if the ongoing RP is somewhat secluded, like in a tavern room at least (so that there's no need to clarify the fact of OOC-ness to new participants); the street or tavern downstairs can't work for it. And, as I said, it's pretty rare.
Additionally, it's more than likely that your char, upon logging on, isn't where it would realistically be, so technically you often have to pass a notable distance completely OOC-ly, meaning that it'd in fact be invalid to engage in RP on that way (though most of the time it's not a problem and can be ignored).

Thus, by your rules you are a hypocrite, but I think that the conclusion should not be that you're a crap RPer, but instead that your rules may need re-evaluation.

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 01:15:31 am »
That's ok.  I stole some pretty nifty swords from someone today, so it ballances out.



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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 06:41:41 am »

- limited locations ingame, meaning that locations must be used by multiple RPs, occasionally at the same time, or for RP that would take place elsewhere if this elsewhere would exist, as it realistically should (for example, The DR is a catch-all for anything that requires an offworld location). In fact, this would make it bad RP to join in on RP being conducted in a place used for lack of proper place, because your char would not be there IC-ly.


What off-world locations can possibly be in context as the world is officially a closed system isn't it?

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2006, 10:20:23 pm »
What off-world locations can possibly be in context as the world is officially a closed system isn't it?
It is, but it has so many places that are hinted at but not yet implemented, and there are things that you can more or less expect to exist in a magical world, like demon / dark wizard lairs or alternate realities (ripped out of the world by powerful magic or somesuch), or even specific places in the DR (especially since the DR is intended to be huge there will be loads of different places in it, and the citadel is only one, possibly as (in)significant as the one of Bronze doors fortresses that's ingame, regardless of what Londris Kolaim's attitude is :) ). Additionally, it may be used as replacement for the more creepy parts the stone labyrinths (if only for the atmosphere), like when the tunnels at the citadel are too comfy. It surely is no perfect match, but better suited to it than the pleasantly green fields around Hydlaa, and surely these things are nowhere near a daily occurence, but they can be valid under specific circumstances.

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Re: I'm sorry.
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 01:01:33 am »
* stfrn hides up a tree poking sticks at Kiirani for breaking RP.
player -> gm -> dev -> bum