Dueling Etiquette

[Datruth]

Today i had a horrible experience with a new player who had focused on Increasing his magic.
His weapon skills were terrible but his magic skills were much better than mine.
He insulted me after i spoke to a new guild member of mine, and while i was walking away. The absolute worst time.

I walked back and Challenged him.
I got ready for a duel, weapon to weapon, but as i came to find out, he ran as far as he could and used energy arrow against me.

Now, IF you are going to use magic, PLEASE specify it before you duel. I was shocked, i wanted it to be weapon to weapon but he starts using his cheap arrows.
In 3 seconds i'm down to 20% health.

Now what he did wasn't necessarily wrong, If no rules are specified you can use Magic, Even though it's cheap, But that also means, IF YOU DO NOT SPECIFY THE RULES, that the other party can use potions.
So I used 3 potions, and i chased after him, I caught up to him after 3 minutes of continuous running. I mean literally 3 minutes of running, the guy ran his butt off,  he ran as fast as he could away from me.

I caught him and killed him.

He said i shouldn't have used Potions, i said he shouldn't have used Magic, it's obvious, IF you are going to use magic, SPECIFY it before the duel, or else you're calling a FREE for All.
Theme of this story, Don't be cheap and use magic without warning your opponnent, if you do you're calling a for a free for all where no rules apply.

Here are the different types of Duels and how they are carried about:

Normal Duel

1) One person challenges another, no magic or potions.

2) You duel and don't run, average time of duel about 30 seconds, can go up to a minute though..

3) Someone dies and you are done. The best man has won.

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Free for all

1) You don't warn your opponent and you use either Potions or Magic.

2) That is a signal for your opponent to use whatever he chooses.

3) Someone dies, not necessarily because of their dueling skill. Average time of duel, varies.

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Magic duel

1) You stipulate magic will be allowed in this duel and you may even specify which types of magic.

2) You do not allow Potions, this is stipulated before the duel as well.

3) You fight and the Best man wins. Average time about 10 seconds.
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There are certain people who will try and win a duel by not warning their opponent of magic.
They instinctively train Magic to it's highest point, run away, and try and kill the enemy as fast as possible.
On rare cases they meet someone like me who has Max health, and they have just enough time to heal themselves and strike back.
Then you will notice that those same people will be mad and label people like me cheats.


They are the real cheat. They do not to warn their opponent, they do not fight honorably, and they try and kill their opponent as fast as possible.
They will use the technique of accepting the challenge, running away, and killing you within 3 seconds using Arrows.
Such people do exhist, and do not understand honor.


Hope this helps everyone in their dueling adventures.
Also, don't randomly insult strangers, you will see the consequences, as this person did.

~~Datruth

[Karyuu]

Etiquette is only for characters who like to play it nice

Using magic without warning your opponent is in no way cheap or bad. In my opinion free-for-alls are the default unless you both agree to something beforehand. I wasn't aware that you are now required to "decide" on a duel type before attacking someone. Being caught unaware is great sometimes - makes you go "Woah, how fun - I didn't expect that at all." So you get your ass kicked sometimes because of that, but so what? What's a game without an element of danger ;)

If someone starts complaining afterwards though, hammer-to-the-head for them. Before they challenge or accept they need to make their requests clear if they have certain 'needs.'

Randomly insulting strangers can be great IC, too.

[Under the moon]

The etiquette is for the players themselves, not the characters. This is so everyone can have fun, and no one gets sore after a duel they saw as unfair because they 'thought' it was going to be something other than what it was. I see what the person did to Datruth as a form of greifing, if only a mild one. If your aim is to trick the player behind the character in a bad way, then that is wrong.

[Karyuu]

I don't think that anyone should be required to go out of character and ask the other party "What kind of duel is this going to be?" If the character of one of the players wants a certain kind of duel, like using magic only, the character has to say so. Not the player. The player has nothing to do with any of these choices. If you're challenged and before accepting your character doesn't lay down some rules, you're the one to blame - because by default, anything goes.

*edit*

Moreover, how is using magic tricking the player? Did the two of them agree on using weapons and then the other player switched to magic? If the answer is no, then what happened is simply the unexpected - but in no way is it "griefing."

[neko kyouran]

Its simple really.  Don't challenge people unless you are ready to expect anything. (unless agreed to specifics beforehand)

Mr Magic user did nothing wrong.  He was challenged, he used the skills he had to his advantage.  If you challenge someone and don't like thier duelling tactics, then you shouldn't be challenging people before first explaining what type of duel you are wanting.  Anthing else, roll with the punches.

[Under the moon]

His 'wrong' was expecting to be able to stand back and pummel someone without that person being able to use potions, or defend themselves. His death was just.

[Karyuu]

Like I said, if you don't establish some rules beforehand, you don't have any right to complain :] This applies to both parties however. That includes insulting the other player's choice to use magic and "cheap arrows."

[Datruth]

Like I said, if you don't establish some rules beforehand, you don't have any right to complain :] This applies to both parties however. That includes insulting the other player's choice to use magic and "cheap arrows."

I understand karyuu, he has the right to use magic without telling me.

That then makes the Duel a Free for all with no rules.

Thus i can use Potions.

So he has no right to complain if i do use them.

[Suno_Regin]

Magic is allowed, potions are cheap. Stop whining about someone using magic against you. He shouldn't have to specify he uses magic, just like you shouldn't have to specify you use weapons. Hiding and shooting with magic is strategy, not cheap. >.>

[Datruth]

Magic is allowed, potions are cheap. Stop whining about someone using magic against you. He shouldn't have to specify he uses magic, just like you shouldn't have to specify you use weapons. Hiding and shooting with magic is strategy, not cheap. >.>

There are magic duels, and there are weapons duels.

A magic duel v.s a Weapon, Magic always wins, no contest, Why, because you can shoot from far away and kill in 5 hits.

Weapon v.s Weapon, Even.

Magic v.s Magic Even.


If you want to be honorable, and if you want a fair fight, you express which duel you would like.

OR ELSE, you get a free for all.

It's obvious suno, Magic will always beat Weapons.

I used Potions to even the odds.

Why? Because it was a free for all and the man obviously didn't want a fair fight.

~~Datruth

[Suno_Regin]

No, magic doesn't always beat weapons. Once we're able to have bows, it'll go both way. And even with melee weapons against magic, melee can still win. All you need to do is corner the magic-using guy. There's no such thing as a magic vs. weapon, magic vs. magic, or weapon vs. weapon. You can use whatever you want whenever you want, so stop complaining and go learn magic or something.

[bilbous]

What I don't understand is how insults become a mortal affair. Take off your gloves and punch it out till someone cries uncle. Just how uncivilised a place is this? Perhaps someday it could be developed that PVP unarmed combat results not in death but knockdown. Anyone using a weapon or magic in a fist fight gets some kind of negative karma effect and if it results in death becomes branded a murderer for all to see. What a bunch of bloodthirsty trolls we have among us.

[Datruth]

No, magic doesn't always beat weapons. Once we're able to have bows, it'll go both way. And even with melee weapons against magic, melee can still win.

You just made an assumption, you said ONCE we are able to have bows, it'll go both ways. That's not a fact, you haven't seen the bow system, and you have nothing to support your statement, it is baseless.

You admit in that same sentance than, that right now magic has a HUGE advantage over Melee, you say ONCE we have bows, THEN it'll go both ways, meaning now it doesn't and if you play the game often you'll know that this is a fact.

A MAJORITY OF THE TIME, 99%, Magic will always beat weapons, why?

1) Magic players will only use magic if it's trained very high, so it's very effective, 5 or less arrows is a kill.

2) The meelee player will not be ready for the magic and if he does not have MAX health like me, he will die alot quicker.

3) MAGIC is a ranged skill, arrows can be very effective, and you can be either close or far to win, where MElee you MUST be close enough to slash, and then again your slash could miss.

I can't believe you would argue that Magic v.s Melee, melee wins a good percentage of the time.

That just isn't true, Magic versus Melee, Magic wins a VASt majority of the time.

All you need to do is corner the magic-using guy. There's no such thing as a magic vs. weapon, magic vs. magic, or weapon vs. weapon.

How do you corner the guy? Are you aware, that people can run through other people in this game... i would think you would know that by now.

That idea is just silly, i doubt you actually re read your own post and thought about that.

And yes, Those were definitions i used and defined in my first post, they do exist, whether you choose to use those definitions or not.

You can use whatever you want whenever you want, so stop complaining and go learn magic or something.

I agree in a sense, If you choose to be like that, if you choose to use whatever you want, then that means your opponent may do the same.
Thus You and your opponent can now use potions.
You can see, this doesn't show skill and you're just wasting your time.

If you want to have a meaningfull fight, Stick to Melee v.s Melee, or Magic v.s Magic.

Don't trick your opponent and make it a free for all.

And Suno, I shoulnd't have to be forced to train anything, if i don't wanna learn magic to the max, i do not have to. To suggest such a thing shows your demanding state of mind, and i question whether you are looking at this rationally.

~~Datruth

[Karyuu]

How are you sure that your opponent wanted a "meaningful" fight? The character started insulting yours, so there's already a small sign he may not be willing to even the odds. There is absolutely no tricking involved here, and your expectations do not dictate reality - especially when they are unvoiced. Unless you specifically agreed beforehand that there will be no using magic, why be surprised? You don't want to learn magic, and the other character may not want to study any weapons. The only real conflict turns out to be his complaining of your potion use at the end - to which you've had every right - and this is something you need to resolve with that player next time.

It's only very recently that I stopped seeing "Magic is so underpowered!" posts here. Now it's evidently the easiest way to win a duel?

[bilbous]

Seems to me that the dueling system isn't so much a dueling system as it is a check on rampant murder. Where were your seconds, where was the agreement to meet at dawn. did the challenged have the right to choose weapons? Perhaps what you needed to do was to roleplay it up a bit. Did you /me slaps Miscreant with my glove? Apparently not. Did you speak to him at all? Not that you mention. You just used the game mechanics to see if you could proceed and then attempted murder. Or so it appears from your story. There are no rules to murder. If you had stopped long enough to discuss the means of the dual perhaps the one or the other of you could have named a champion so that the fight would be on common terms. Personally I have auto-refuse on all my characters so that if someone wants to duel me they have to say so and I can decide at that point whether to proceed.