Is Spysweeper Retarded?

[zanzibar]

I think the correct term to use in this instance is:  "wtfpwned".

I think ramlambmoo has a good point.  If we all just say what we mean the first time we say it, then we'll create less trouble for ourselves later on.

[bilbous]

I think the correct term for most of the exchange between me and him is "spurious debate," well at least on his part. I think the correct term for your interjections is "blatant trolling" but that is just my opinion of course. It all could just be a feeble excuse for humor. Since you have no interest in anything but trying to annoy me I have to conclude this charade. It is too bad you could not take Karyuu's words to heart. Better luck next time. 

[Baldur]

You have no idea what a flame war is until you've visited the Rubies of Eventide message board

Though this is a heated discussion which goes on and on without no end... And yes, I agree with bilbou's term "spurious debate" though just stay away from the personal plane, or this might get grizzly. I have yet to see a real flame war in this forum. Good luck And don't you be barbecuing each other on my watch

[zanzibar]

I think the correct term for most of the exchange between me and him is "spurious debate," well at least on his part. I think the correct term for your interjections is "blatant trolling" but that is just my opinion of course.

This statement is itself an example of trolling.  Not only are you trying to bait me into engaging in a flame war with you, but you're ignoring the substance of the posts which have been politely made in response to you.

It all could just be a feeble excuse for humor. Since you have no interest in anything but trying to annoy me I have to conclude this charade. It is too bad you could not take Karyuu's words to heart. Better luck next time. 

More textbook trolling on your part, poorly hidden, this time in the form of personal attacks.  I'll say it again, this time more politely:  This behaviour is not welcomed here.


Edit:  Xillix is right.  Stop the flaming and get back to the "spurious debate"!   

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

 

[Kezzik]

the last post i can see referring to anythign related to the original topic, ie spybot programs and other protection software is about 27 posts ago, opn page 3 by Xillix, I may have missed a few but I rthink if this has gone 2 pages withotu mention of the original topic it's run it's course, if you want to debate further, pm, either that or hop on irc and make yourself a #windowsvslinux and have fun..

and referalyl to the originaly topic, i think i laready saidm, I use AVG free edition, lavasoft ad-aware personal, and firefox for a browser.

I am also backed up by common sense not to click on stupid ****, which -really- does help.

anyways, toodles

[ramlambmoo]

I think the correct term for most of the exchange between me and him is "spurious debate," well at least on his part. I think the correct term for your interjections is "blatant trolling" but that is just my opinion of course. It all could just be a feeble excuse for humor. Since you have no interest in anything but trying to annoy me I have to conclude this charade. It is too bad you could not take Karyuu's words to heart. Better luck next time.

I'm inclined to think you're just saying that as a way to get out of the debate because you dont have many valid points left.  But suit yourself.

the last post i can see referring to anythign related to the original topic, ie spybot programs and other protection software is about 27 posts ago, opn page 3 by Xillix, I may have missed a few but I rthink if this has gone 2 pages withotu mention of the original topic it's run it's course, if you want to debate further, pm, either that or hop on irc and make yourself a #windowsvslinux and have fun..

and referalyl to the originaly topic, i think i laready saidm, I use AVG free edition, lavasoft ad-aware personal, and firefox for a browser.

Who really cares, the topic has evolved.  Its hydlaa plaza after all, so we're entitled to discuss whatever we want, as is my understanding.  We've just moved onto something more interesting.  If you want to get technical then discussing how it is off topic is off topic itself, so I'll ask you to please refrain from doing that.   

[Kezzik]

who cares? people looking for an answer to the question, they dont want extra pages full of some other discussion, you can make a new thread for that, i'm not saying it's against the rules, it's just courtesy to keep things as clean as possible.

[Uyaem]

random comment... http://www.bash.org/?699308

[ramlambmoo]

who cares? people looking for an answer to the question, they dont want extra pages full of some other discussion, you can make a new thread for that, i'm not saying it's against the rules, it's just courtesy to keep things as clean as possible.

Yes but the topic pretty much died.  The answer(s) to the question were all posted on the first page, and the thread would have died if we didnt continue a different discussion.  Those people who want answers can read the first few posts and get them, and we can still discuss our topic.

[Kezzik]

* Kezzik sighs

who cares if the thread dies, thats what search is for, and it'd make it so much easier to find things if people didnt cram crap into threads their discussion is irrellevant to.

[Induane]

Touche, the problem with linux is that is is catered to a group of users who have a very high level of expertise in computing.  In it's current incarnation its simple not suitable for the general user base without it having been configured by someone else.  Which I think is definatly a shame, given it's potential.

I'm not sure I entirely agree.  Studies have shown that if you sit down people who have never used a computer before ever, they find

1.) Apple, OSX (it wasn't specific on what version of OSX)
2.) Knoppix
3.) Mandravia Linux
4.) Ubuntu Linux (Hoary Hedgehog was the test version I think)
5.) Windows XP

Were easiest to use in that order.  I think this shows a different trend than you see.  People who are moderately to well experienced windows users (which is the majority) have been using windows for years.  Its not that Linux is really that much more difficult than linux, its that its simly so DIFFERENT.  To a new user all environments are foreign.  To a windows convert Linux is totally bizarre and difficult because there are already tons and tons of preconceived notions of how things work and where things are located, and how to diagnose problems.  This is akin to teaching an old dog new tricks.  Its not that it can't be done its just that once you have so completely learned one system, making a clean break and using a new system is very difficult. 

I also have some experience with this.  I am often called upon to setup computers for older people - 50+ - and find that they don't know the difference between windows and Linux or openoffice and msoffice.  To them computers are magical devices.  I usually end up setting them up with linux boxes so that I don't have to spend tons of time providing tech support. Most of them want to: Browse the internet, make lists (with word or ooWriter) print things, and send email.  Linux handles these tasks flawlessly.  The older generation are easily fooled by popups that tell you your computer is infested with viruses and they need to follow these links and purchase this random special software to save their pc from certain doom.  I give them Linux boxes and tell them that in the event they DO get something like that not to worry.  I tell them that linux is "vaccinated" for all Internet viruses.  I rarely have them call me ever again.  The ones who get windows though by request (usually from their kids) call me constantly.  Despite all precautions you can't stop the end users from F*&KING up the computers with viruses and malware. 

That isn't to say that Linux can't be improved, and it IS.  Things look better and easier each day.  I'm not one of those people who wish doom on Microsoft, I would just like to see their product improve and their market share drop for the sole purpose of creating an actual competitive environment.  This will lead to a better product for all involved.

[zanzibar]

"Studies have shown" is a dangerous phrase to use.  I would want to know how those studies were carried out and I would want to know how they arrived at their conclusions.

As far as off topicness goes:  The topic evolved, and that's ok.  What's NOT ok is when an individual tries to turn the thread into a flame war.  That crap is the real problem.

[Induane]

"Studies have shown" is a dangerous phrase to use.

I understand that.  Unfortunately a quick google search didn't yield the study I had found which was the only one I'd ever found that included several Linux distro's in the mix.  As a result I also included references to personal experiences I have had in dealing with people who have never used a PC either in an attempt to substantiate my claims through evidence I've gathered of my own accord.   Not perfect, but I am at work - and only can sneak online for finite periods of time. 

What's NOT ok is when an individual tries to turn the thread into a flame war.  That crap is the real problem.

Is your use of vaguely inflammatory rhetoric an attempt at satire?  j/k that little bit isn't so bad.  Sometimes though I do think your choice of words does more to keep a flame war going than it does to steer it back from the brink.  If you really want to turn a discussion back from the brink of going down in flames sometimes it helps to set an example with your posts.

As far as off topicness goes:  The topic evolved, and that's ok.

 

Couldn't agree more. Topics evolve. I never understood the people who hate it when a topic moves beyond its original point.  Sometimes everything that needs to be addressed regarding the initial topic gets more or less resolved or is established that it won't be resolved.  At this point of the topic wants to turn in a different direction, I say have at it.  The only annoying thing is when people make a conscious attempt to steer a discussion away from a legitimate discussion. 

But uhhh...

LINUX IS OMG THE BEST LAWL WINDOZE SUCKSORS!

* Induane couldn't resist!

[Mariana]

but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yP9pvm4JLI