Timer on Duel Challenges

[Karyuu]

You know, asking for something nicely for a change could maybe make people less upset with you.

[Kezzik]

so what is it you do exactly suno? run aroudn and challenge people to fight?

and you get annoyed when the decline and you get punished?

did you not stop to think that this system is in place to stop people randomly challenging others... I mean, all you have to do is walk up to someone and say
"excuse me, you look like a fair warrior, would you care to take up a friendly duel with me?"

they say yes, you challenge, they say no, you walk away, omigoshlooknopunishment! :O :O

[bilbous]

it is possible they will agree but then forget to turn off auto-decline...

[Under the moon]

Shortcut:
/ me comes up to $target as if looking for a fight.
/tell $target [ooc. If I challenge you, will you accept?]

If accept, then challenge.
If decline, then shortcut:

/ me rolls his eyes and moves off as if dismissing $target as an unworthy foe.
/tell $target [ooc Thanks, maybe another time.]

Crackers don't matter.

[Suno_Regin]

so what is it you do exactly suno? run aroudn and challenge people to fight?

and you get annoyed when the decline and you get punished?

did you not stop to think that this system is in place to stop people randomly challenging others... I mean, all you have to do is walk up to someone and say
"excuse me, you look like a fair warrior, would you care to take up a friendly duel with me?"

they say yes, you challenge, they say no, you walk away, omigoshlooknopunishment! :O :O

I don't randomly challenge, I used to as Kenti a long time ago, though. We were having duel practice in DR, and that's when my first challenge was declined because he wasn't ready when I challenged him. So then he challenged me, we dueled, all that. Well, I was done, so I left DR. Took me about 15-20 minutes to get back to Hydlaa. I stopped at the rogue and fought him a bit, then someone was being annoying and kept saying "give me money" "give me money" "give me money" so I got tired of it and challenged him. Well, it got declined, so Laanx decided to kill me, kick me, and take away 30 duel points. Not only is the timer screwed up, but the punishment is a little too extreme. It should only do these things to you if you challenge someone and they DECLINE you twice, not punish you simply when you challenge them again, because you don't know how they would respond, especially during duel practice in DR. Also, it should only be when you challenge that one person, not everyone, that gets especially annoying. And 10 minutes? Too long, should be about 5 at the most. 10 minutes makes it so once you get declined you wait for so long you have to challenge someone again to simply figure out how much time you have left.

And I realized something, apperantly when checking your time from challenging someone, it adds yet another 10 minutes so that even though it says you have to wait about 3 more, it changes to 13, just to fool you. It's a trap setup so they can easily kill you, and especially annoy Enkidukai, making them walk all the way back to Hydlaa. Ever since DaveG got control of all these different systems, it's been hell trying to even use the duel system without risking being banned because it's glitched (or just DaveG trying to get us banned by extending the timer every time you challenge someone before the 10 minutes are up).

Now, like I said before, can we just have a timer? Please? It's impossible to even duel not knowing how much time you have left.

Also, you have to consider something. My newest character is an Outlaw, thus means a lot of thievery, killing, etc.

Let's say, during a roleplay. I try to mug someone, challenge them to a duel, they decline and say "I don't want to participate" or something stupid like that. Well, they just ruined the roleplay I'm trying to make, made it impossible for me to try and attempt the roleplay again for another 10 minutes, and risk me being banned by this Laanx kill you crap. So, I might try to mug someone else, challenge them, but I can't even get that far because Laanx kills me. For one thing, it makes for very bad roleplay when a God would interfere in common thievery. Gods are supposed to take care of...I don't know, world threats maybe? Something bigger than a mugging or a duel, honorable or not. DaveG not only completely pissed off the OOC duel spammers, but evil/criminal roleplayers as well. This needs fixed if we can even have a little realism here. The real world isn't all sunshine and butterflies, and neither should this be. There has to be some sort of evil or criminalism just to balance it out.

[Induane]

Let's say, during a roleplay. I try to mug someone, challenge them to a duel, they decline and say "I don't want to participate" or something stupid like that. Well, they just ruined the roleplay I'm trying to make, made it impossible for me to try and attempt the roleplay again for another 10 minutes, and risk me being banned by this Laanx kill you crap.

UtM had the ideal selection that avoids your problem right away.  You ask them in a tell if they would play along with the RP.  Then you don't even waste a challenge if they decline because you haven't actually /challenged them. 

It's a trap setup so they can easily kill you, and especially annoy Enkidukai, making them walk all the way back to Hydlaa.

While the system may be a bit off, and the timer needs work, I seriously doubt the whole thing is a conspiracy to let Laanx kill people like you.  As UtM said, its easy to avoid for now in interests of RP, challenging someone for being annoying isn't really RP because the challenge system is sort of OOC.  Its there for willing people to help with role playing so that PVP is possible when necessary but the system itself is OOC.

So for RolePlay it works fine though the timer needs fixed at least.  For random challenges its got its issues which may need to be dealt with but I can't see why devs should make this an ulber super priority.  Its an annoyance, they know of it now, and it will be dealt with soon(tm)

[Kezzik]

I don't randomly challenge, I used to as Kenti a long time ago, though. We were having duel practice in DR, and that's when my first challenge was declined because he wasn't ready when I challenged him. So then he challenged me, we dueled, all that. Well, I was done, so I left DR. Took me about 15-20 minutes to get back to Hydlaa. I stopped at the rogue and fought him a bit, then someone was being annoying and kept saying "give me money" "give me money" "give me money" so I got tired of it and challenged him. Well, it got declined, so Laanx decided to kill me, kick me, and take away 30 duel points. Not only is the timer screwed up, but the punishment is a little too extreme. It should only do these things to you if you challenge someone and they DECLINE you twice, not punish you simply when you challenge them again, because you don't know how they would respond, especially during duel practice in DR. Also, it should only be when you challenge that one person, not everyone, that gets especially annoying. And 10 minutes? Too long, should be about 5 at the most. 10 minutes makes it so once you get declined you wait for so long you have to challenge someone again to simply figure out how much time you have left.

someone annoyed you so you just challenged them without asking, then thats your own fault.

And I realized something, apperantly when checking your time from challenging someone, it adds yet another 10 minutes so that even though it says you have to wait about 3 more, it changes to 13, just to fool you. It's a trap setup so they can easily kill you, and especially annoy Enkidukai, making them walk all the way back to Hydlaa. Ever since DaveG got control of all these different systems, it's been hell trying to even use the duel system without risking being banned because it's glitched (or just DaveG trying to get us banned by extending the timer every time you challenge someone before the 10 minutes are up).

if you pay attention ot the ruels you wouldnt run into this problem, 'patience is a virtue' some people say. if you don't like the run from Akkaio, don;t be an Enki, if you refuse to chaneg race, get used to it, all races will have to run far soon enough. ever since DaveG got ahold of the duel system it's improved and prevents annoyances, it also punishes people who are persistant in such ways.

Now, like I said before, can we just have a timer? Please? It's impossible to even duel not knowing how much time you have left.

the current system works perfectly fine for RP and planned/asked events going on, no need ot change it.

Also, you have to consider something. My newest character is an Outlaw, thus means a lot of thievery, killing, etc.

Let's say, during a roleplay. I try to mug someone, challenge them to a duel, they decline and say "I don't want to participate" or something stupid like that. Well, they just ruined the roleplay I'm trying to make, made it impossible for me to try and attempt the roleplay again for another 10 minutes, and risk me being banned by this Laanx kill you crap. So, I might try to mug someone else, challenge them, but I can't even get that far because Laanx kills me. For one thing, it makes for very bad roleplay when a God would interfere in common thievery. Gods are supposed to take care of...I don't know, world threats maybe? Something bigger than a mugging or a duel, honorable or not. DaveG not only completely pissed off the OOC duel spammers, but evil/criminal roleplayers as well. This needs fixed if we can even have a little realism here. The real world isn't all sunshine and butterflies, and neither should this be. There has to be some sort of evil or criminalism just to balance it out.

this is why you ask first, saves so much time you'd be able to mug another 3 peopel in the mean time. DaveG had every right to 'piss off' the OOC duel spammers, they are not wanted here, as for the evil/criminal roleplayers, a decent one will let their target know of their plans and ask if its ok with them before hand, or had you not read abotu those 'godlike' evil 'rpers' killing people and escaping a lynch mob of goodies unscathed? >_>

[zanzibar]

UtM had the ideal selection that avoids your problem right away.  You ask them in a tell if they would play along with the RP.

Using tells like that is disruptive and distracting.  I consider it to be rude.  It's not an ideal solution.  If you can't figure out whether or not to send a challenge to someone while staying in character, then something is wrong.

this is why you ask first, saves so much time you'd be able to mug another 3 peopel in the mean time. DaveG had every right to 'piss off' the OOC duel spammers, they are not wanted here, as for the evil/criminal roleplayers, a decent one will let their target know of their plans and ask if its ok with them before hand, or had you not read abotu those 'godlike' evil 'rpers' killing people and escaping a lynch mob of goodies unscathed? >_>

Oh please.  OOC duel spammers are a myth that DaveG and Demarthl invented to pick on people they didn't like.

[Kezzik]

NO.  Using tells like that is disruptive and distracting.  I consider it to be RUDE.  It's not an ideal solution in the slightest.

a short while ago i was sitting on a roof top minding my own business, watching a family (the Frawd's I beleive) chat away, something about their chidlren sneaking out at night and such...

then this idiot elf guy comes running up, starst runnign circles around them, hopping up and down and spouting random jibberish, interrupting their RP.

i find that rude Shalmaneser.

a myth? theres proof just above you, where suno claimed that he did it as kenti renari, and i remember him doing so, as do i with you and a few others.

[zanzibar]

I used to be a duel spammer, for the first few weeks that I played.  Then I was told it was considered rude and I stopped.  Even before that, I would never challenge the same person twice in a row if they declined the first challenge.  Then, a year or so later, DaveG coded the anti-spam system into the game.


As far as running around, saying random things to people in character, I guess that's a matter of personal taste.  It's a PLAZA, if you want privacy then get a room in the tavern! 


What's really rude is characterizing a person as some sort of villain just because you have a personal grudge.  Hiding behind alts isn't the most respectful way to communicate with people either. *wink*

[Kezzik]

sigh, keep telling yourself that...

and no, running around and interupting other peopels RP just because you think you can do what you like is rude, and frustrating, maybe they dealt with it better then me, but to me it's still somethign you shouldnt do, far far worse then sending an ooc tell.

also, I see you finally caught on, congratulations, it isn't an alt, i'm not hiding behind it and I highly doubt I'm being disrespectful to anyone i communicate with, it's just you, with your personal grudge. as usual. but hey, it's always the complaints that have the louder voice.. maybe because they don't shut up

[zanzibar]

sigh, keep telling yourself that...

and no, running around and interupting other peopels RP just because you think you can do what you like is rude, and frustrating, maybe they dealt with it better then me, but to me it's still somethign you shouldnt do, far far worse then sending an ooc tell.

also, I see you finally caught on, congratulations, it isn't an alt, i'm not hiding behind it and I highly doubt I'm being disrespectful to anyone i communicate with, it's just you, with your personal grudge. as usual. but hey, it's always the complaints that have the louder voice.. maybe because they don't shut up

"Interupting RP" does not apply.  You are roleplaying a character within a certain world.  You are in a city, surrounded by travellers, merchants, knights, people of all sorts and many colourful personas.  Having encounters with strangers isn't just in character, but it's a necessary part of the game.

And I have no idea what it is that I've "caught on" to.  I have no memory of talking to a "Kezzik" in game, or even seeing your character.  I do know that you claim to be "someone else" though:  http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=25895.msg290540#msg290540     I do think that you were being less than entirely genuine in that exchange between you and Zorbels, I think you were trying to make some sort of point though I have no idea what.  What exactly was it that you were trying to imply, and why didn't you just say it flat out?

As far as me having a personal grudge, I really don't know where that's coming from.  Feel free to go into more detail by sending me a private message rather than making such childish comments in open view.

[Kiirani]

Oh please.  OOC duel spammers are a myth that DaveG and Demarthl invented to pick on people they didn't like.

What's really rude is characterizing a person as some sort of villain just because you have a personal grudge.

As far as running around, saying random things to people in character, I guess that's a matter of personal taste.  It's a PLAZA, if you want privacy then get a room in the tavern! 

I was there at the time Kezzik mentioned. I'm sorry, but unless your character has serious issues, I would not consider that to be a valid IC interruption. There's nothing wrong with people interrupting an rp in a public place as their character might, but I can see plenty wrong with acting as you did just to annoy them because they DARED to try and RP in an area with other people around.

[zanzibar]

I was there at the time Kezzik mentioned. I'm sorry, but unless your character has serious issues, I would not consider that to be a valid IC interruption. There's nothing wrong with people interrupting an rp in a public place as their character might, but I can see plenty wrong with acting as you did just to annoy them because they DARED to try and RP in an area with other people around.

- "Serious issues" doesn't sound too far off the mark
- It wasn't just to annoy them
- I'd like to hear your definition of what it means to "RP"

[Kezzik]

oh but it does apply, sure, there are strangers, and you get the occasional mental case that runs past screaming, but no one does what you did to those peopel in their RP, and you havent met Kezzik ingame, i was not part of that rp, i was on a roof above where they were standing, simply sitting there and listening, pay attention hmm?

I do claim I am someone who has been around here a long time, yes I am under a new alias, i was never ingenuine as to who i am ,i simply did not state -who- i am, but this isn't the place for this idle chit chat, you can shrug off whatever you like, i don't care for your excuses, i came in this thread to post about it's original topic, we trailed off too far.