Little-boy-with-wooden-swords

[Under the moon]

I have seen an increase in what I have come to know as godmodders and tweakers. Yes, you know who you are. You that have such great skills that you can do near anything. You that think to control other players with the mighty 'you'. You that think fighting is you ALWAYS hitting the enemy, while they never even mess your hair. I have met you in the game, and I disregard your 'roleplaying'. Recently, I have been going beyond that, and outright attacking this poor semblance of RP. It has been called Ubertweaking by those who have witnessed it, between bouts of laughter.

I like to call it the Little-boy-with-wooden-swords treatment.

That is exactly what it says. In my character's eyes, you are no longer a great fighter, or terrible evil. You are not even treated as an insane person for your actions. In fact, your actions do not exist anymore. You become a prop. You think you are the best fighter on the face of the game? Not anymore, as you are now a little boy with wooden swords. With a few key statements, and a few /me's, that perception soon spreads tot he entire area. Your words are no longer heard, and your rude action are unseen. Reason? Well, kids just do the darnedest things.

For your enjoyment, I give you a fictional example of a meeting in the tavern.

Hyuken is once again behind the bar serving drinks and telling stories. Boon storms into the tavern with swords drawn.

Boon: Give me a drink or I will crush you all.
Hyuken: Sir, the Boss don't let me serve people with swords out.
Illiky nods and looks at the swords.
Boon: WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? give me a drink now!!!
Hyuken tells Boon: Please tone down what you are doing. This would get you tossed out of a tavern.
Boon tells you: I am evil and will do what i want. stop being a whiner.
Hyuken: Sir, I ask you agin to put away your swords and be more polite, or I will call the guards in here and have you removed. Boss's rules.
Boon: The guards can't do anything to me. they are as weak as you.
Boon looms over you and makes your heart full of fear.
Hyuken tells Boon: Last warning. there are laws that you must RP by.
Boon: Laws mean NOTHING to me! give me a drink or I will stab your face.
Hyuken: [[very well, you were warned]]
Hyuken looks over the bar to see a little boy banging his wooden playswords against the side. "Hello there, Boon. Does your mother know you are here?
Boon: what are you talking about? don't make me cut you
Hyuken: Oh, she sent you to bring some cookies to the tavern. You are such a good boy. I see your father made you another wooden sword to go with your other.
Boon: I am going to kill you!
Hyuken: That is so cute! Isn't he the nicest little boy you know, Illiky? Always polite and caring.
Illiky: I guess so.
Hyuken: Would you like some of the cookies Boon brought for us? His mother is the best cook.
Boon reaches over and cuts Hyuken throat.
Hyuken laughs as Boon pokes him with one of his blunted wooden swords. "Hey, that tickles little man. You not big enough to try to fight yet."
Illiky takes a cookie.
Hyuken bites a cookie and smiles.
Boon: You did not, I killed you! stop godmodding
Hyuken: What was that? The other kids picked on you today? Well, don't be sad just because you are the littlest. You will grow up someday. Have one of your mother's cookies. She is such a nice lady.
Illiky: And a good cook too.
Boon: you all suck with your bad RP and godmodding! go to hell.

Boon toddles out of the tavern with his little wooden swords drawn, waving them at imaginary Ulbers.

Hyuken: Such a nice boy. I hope he brings back more cookies next time.

You are warned.

[Phinehas]

I am so starting to do this too.

Thanks Under for revealing your brilliance to us once again.

[bilbous]

Heeyyy this sounds fun. Can I do it to just anybody or does it have to be someone you don't like?

[Capprion]

seems to me just anybody who is stronger then you that gives a challenge.....( i dont remember seing guards in the tavern or even a bar-tender, instead of trying to make him change his RP just do a [ insert text here ]  saying you dont want to rp with him. now you come  off like a crazy person on top of being weaker )   and im not sure if you just have a problem with everyone who makes themselvs strong. or just people who want to kill you.  could you make yourself more clear
 maybe without the speach

[Narure]

Oh I've been doing something i call the illusion game. It basicaly consists of me raising an eyebrow at the godmodder and wondering where they got this crazy idea that they broke my arm and filled my head with 'A voice of millions of cries and screams rings out, instilling fear beyond fear to all ears.' at which point they always without fail complain at me that im not rping well.

[bilbous]

you could just faint dead away and refuse to revive until they leave. After all it is "fear beyond fear."

[Under the moon]

This has nothing to do with liking or disliking a person. It has to do with people who RP unrealistically so A: they are stronger than everyone else. B: The RP always has to center around them. C; people who can '"do anything they want" because they are evil. All of those are disruptive.

Do not use this as a weapon against folks you do not like. That is just as rude as the one who is trying to center all the attention on themselves in an unrealistic way.

@Capprion: It has nothing to do with strength, but poor RP that tries to draw all the attention to one player through rude behavior that is out of the character of the Settings, such as being super rude in the tavern, then not RPing along with being asked to leave, or being thrown out. The same goes for people trying to do bad things in public without wanting to RP the consequences. If someone tries to kill me in a well thought out RP manner, then I will go along with it.

As to the barkeep, I play a barkeep. The guards are right outside the tavern. Those two NPCs that never move ARE guards, and should not be ignored. If someone called for help, they would came in...realistically. That should be taken into account when RPing. Or else you become a little boy.

So, why not just ignore them and ay you are not interested? Two reasons.
A: Then they will generally keep making an ass of themselves until someone does start to 'RP' with them, and validates their behavior as 'real'.  Then other players have to start playing along, even if it is stupid.
B: They learn nothing by ignoring them. This is meant to do one of two things. Drive them away, or teach them to stay. Believe it or not, I have had one person -thank- me for helping him be a better RPer this way, and show him what an ass he was being. Others have settled down an took part in the 'realistic' RP, even if they still played a rude character. Some just cursed and left while the people staying had a good laugh and continued on our merry RP way.

This is a roleplaying game, and we, as roleplayers, have the power to enforce realistic RP rules on the situation just by changing the perception of how our characters see unrealistic RP.

Did that man just pick up an anvil and throw it across the plaza? No, that little boy was just pretending he did, trying to get the attention of his elders.

Did that woman summon a dark cloud of evil or good around her to protect her from all attacks, and if you touch her you will die? No. She is a little girl selling pies.

[Robinmagus]

Wait, you mean the mates with truth potions, flaming red hands, pressure points that kill you, incredible lightning fast swords through your head, magic healing powers, seven souls in their bodies, the ability to dodge everything, instant kill spells, and "ulbernaut tranquilizing" darts? No, that can't be it. Those are just everyday things.

[bilbous]

jees I thought it was the bartender that could whip up any drink from memory and never spilled a drop or brought the wrong drink or charged you too much ... and laughed at all my stupid jokes!

[Kezzik]

Did that woman summon a dark cloud of evil or good around her to protect her from all attacks, and if you touch her you will die? No. She is a little girl selling pies.

mmm... Pie.

moon has summed it up nicely, as usual.

the only thing I could add would be

Those two NPCs that never move ARE guards, and should not be ignored. If someone called for help, they would came in...realistically.

not to mention that realistically the tavern would be bustling with people, as would pretty much everywhere else with an open enough space for a market stool to be set up.

[Robinmagus]

jees I thought it was the bartender that could whip up any drink from memory and never spilled a drop or brought the wrong drink or charged you too much ... and laughed at all my stupid jokes!

That's natural. My dad was a bartender, had the menu memorized, and never spilled a drop. Very qualified.

[Under the moon]

Hyuken Sevent is my barkeep, and he is far from perfect. He mixes up drinks all the time (when he first started, he was actually serving wash water by mistake). He gets shy when pretty ladies come in, and smacks his head on the bar when he bows to them.

[dying_inside]

I whole heartedly support your placing of these fools.
Although you do it with more taste than I would have done....
And wow your example is quite unbeliebaly shcking and well....
I dunno. Funny/ sickening.

[bilbous]

That's natural. My dad was a bartender, had the menu memorized, and never spilled a drop. Very qualified.

Good bartenders don't need to stick to the menu but can whip up some oddly named concoction on demand.
When dispensing draft beer from a tap it is impossible not to have some spillage from the nozzle.

Hyuken Sevent is my barkeep, and he is far from perfect. He mixes up drinks all the time (when he first started, he was actually serving wash water by mistake). He gets shy when pretty ladies come in, and smacks his head on the bar when he bows to them.

And you failed to laugh at my bad joke,  instead, treated it as a serious comment....

[zanzibar]

Under the moon, I actually think that's a pretty rotten solution.  It's not roleplaying - it's just pissing off someone who annoys you.  I'm not saying it isn't effective or that you shouldn't do it, I think it's a fine solution to pests who don't have a clue, but don't glorify it as roleplaying or anything other than rudeness.

Really, you make a good case for open PVP.  He didn't need to be the strongest fighter in the world.  He just needed to be a stronger fighter than you.