Don't be sexist with Klyros.

[Seytra]

"Sexist" is a very inappropriate word in this context IMO. I know that many people don't read the descriptions, possibly they don't know it's there, or don't know how to easily access it.
However, I don't mind. If someone asks, I'll clarify, if not, then I'll simply ignore it unless it gets picked up and brought as topic into the conversation by others.
IMO, it is the same as with persisting typos: you either ignore them, or you send a simple /tell to give the other the chance to know. In no case do I make it significant for my RP. Occasionally I use "/me is female".

Regarding the question of nipples: I've pondered this myself, and my conclusion was that the settings gives the answer: basically, it states that the races interbreed heavily, and that whatever parents there are, the child is one race or another, with the only exception of the Ynnwns. Therefore, Klyros must be genetically compatible with the other races, and if this is the case, then the reproductive system necessarily is compatible as well, including secondary reproductive organs. Therefore, I've come to regard all except the Kran as "races", with Kran being "species".

The necessity of mammalian secondary reproductive organs like breasts then mandates that females have at least a slightly different form than males. However, given that even in RL humans these features can be blurred or completely hidden by other features like muscle, it is not necessary that the female Klyros be obvious to everyone.

Given their otherwise reptilian / fishy / batty / whatever properties, the likelyhood of such a comparatively minor visual difference is comparatively high, especially since their other environments may dictate more similar forms, anyway (for streamlining, for example).

So I think they're less obvious, but still distinguishable upon closer visual inspection.

[Exor]

First of all, dont think its just you females  I happen to be a male Kylros with people calling me a "she" or "her" wth! I guess it IS because i accidentally had 'female' selected during char creation, but in my description it clearly states 'Gender: Male' or something like that

[Juranian]

I know this is a really old topic but.... Should still be looked at

I play a male klyros... and i find it funny that all these women are complaining about it being sexist... If you've read enough about the klyros  race, you'd have read that: Other species often mistake their sex, therefore, the klyros often define their sex as they greet , just as i often say as my klyros, that he can never tell the furred kind apart hehe , besides, you can't tell people what or who you are, unless its ic, you can show them what you look like... but if they think you look like a male even with your discription.. they may just be rping that they don't know your a female, or that they just want to tease you about it

[Doyubi]

In the real world, there's not a description hovering above our heads. Am i being sexist if i mistake a dyke for a man?

[Eliseth]

In the real world, there's not a description hovering above our heads.

That's because we have visual descriptions, if I've got a scar, I don't need to tell people I have a scar because they can see it. As for Klyros females, don't stress about it. What did you think would happen when you decided to choose a female Klyros knowing full well that the model is the same as the male's. Be honest to yourself, how many descriptions do YOU read?

[Arlaton]

Everytime I see a nonunique model, especially that male Dermorian model. I read at least enough to read race or gender in Klyros' case. There is really no reason not to, just double click on the person, look and close it.

[Mythryndel]

RP people... There is no reason I can think of to FORCE someone to read your biography... i mean description. I was chatting with a mage-type that kept [pointing me to his description] because he was a "weak" character and "it is too difficult to RP that"... I found that annoying. I don't get that kind of information when I meet someone on the street. If anything, I scan all the way to the bottom to get a "feel" for the characters strength. This is a personal habit to help me determine newer players from established players.

If you REALLY don't like being confused for a male/female, choose a different race to play. It isn't like you are limited in stats/skills by race.

[EDIT] Also... if I were to read every single character description, people would get upset with me for being rude and ignoring them in "main"... It seems to me there is no way to resolve this without someone getting their feelings hurt.

[Parallo]

It is not meant to be a biography. If it is then you are simply doing it wrong. Also, if you scrolled to the bottom of mine and checked to see if I was wearing armour you would likely think I had started about ten minutes ago which is not the case.

[Mythryndel]

I agree it is not intended to be a Biography, but the new character creation sets all of your creation options in there. PS is not giving new characters a good example of what should go in there right now.

I have never seen a description of "armour"... but like i said, I don't usually read them. If I do, I just look for the "appears to be weaker that you" or "May be impossible to defeat" tags that are auto-generated.

[Parallo]

I meant that if you not only looked at the bottom of my description but also looked at my character to see if he was wearing any sort of armour, as many people do as an ooc means of seeing how long people have been playing, you would assume that I was fresh off the noob boat. This misconception stems from people believing that character development involves leveling and buying equipment.

[Mythryndel]

I agree that people do that, but I only use that as one factor. I tend to play things very cautiously until I get a better feel for if they are new or not. Given the settings regarding this particular issue, and mixed with my character's inability to read the description of characters... I might misunderstand a characters [EDIT] gender on-purpose. I was mining the other night and truly had a hard time telling if the character was male or female. I played it neutral until something gave it away.

If you want to play things a bit more PC (politically correct), you could RP the gender as ambiguous until you get some IC clue to tip you off. If you are playing a character of this race, please... be as indignant as you want about it... but leave it in-game. This is a settings-compliant RP conflict you are going to have to deal with. People, in general, are not just teasing you.

[Kaerli]

I'm sure Kaerli gets taken for a n00b at times (she wears LA for agility's sake...)...


Also, on descriptions: Maybe we should add a section to the Player Guide on writing 'em.  That would be good for those n00bs who don't happen to have experience or the tutelage of a veteran RPer to help them.

[Xillix Queen of Fools]

if n00bs read they would be newbs and newbs can figure it out just fine.

[Gaian]

Ok, this thing happens often. Klyros male and female are identical, if you see them on PS, and they're not the only ones. Male Lemurs and Nolthrir are called Dermorians. I have to admit it, I did the same error, some times, and I am sorry. But somebody keeps doing it and it isn't right 
We should change races, I mean, do different images for males and females klyros or for dermorians nolthrir and lemurs males and others.
Well, not actually WE, who build these things 

[Mythryndel]

I am not a dev, but know enough about computers and 3-d modeling to know that it is not a trivial task to come up with all the models for the different races. I have faith that they are working on the remaining race models, but it takes time... and most specifically the time of those talented individuals that are good graphic artists that also know our rendering engine. This really narrows down those qualified to do this type of work. Add to that the fact that this is a volunteer project... I hope you get the point.

I am not saying you can't get frustrated, just keep in mind how much work has gone into things already, for free. That you can play, for free.

Getting back to the original topic though, even the race description says that the male/female members of this race are often confused for each other by other races. This is on purpose per the settings, not a botched rendering job.