Magic and Kill Stealing

[Shangreloo]

It seems that people can kill steal while another player is already engaged in combat against a mob. Is this true?

If so, what recourse do we have if there is no GM in game at the time?

[Parallo]

Petition I should think.

[Hadfael]

First /who game
if as you said there is no online GM then write a petition
each GM seeing it will keep an eye on the KSer so don't worry of the petition remains opened for a few days. We usualualy don't claim those until it's outdated so each of us can see it.
If you can, run an IRC client, rush into #planeshift-gmtalk on freenode
many GMs are here when they don't have a running client and or the GM char online.
contact one of the + voiced GMs so he can come and have a look

KSing is cheating, so we will do whatever is possible to confirm the abuse and take the needed actions.

[Janner]

First /who game
if as you said there is no online GM then write a petition
each GM seeing it will keep an eye on the KSer so don't worry of the petition remains opened for a few days. We usualualy don't claim those until it's outdated so each of us can see it.
If you can, run an IRC client, rush into #planeshift-gmtalk on freenode
many GMs are here when they don't have a running client and or the GM char online.
contact one of the + voiced GMs so he can come and have a look

KSing is cheating, so we will do whatever is possible to confirm the abuse and take the needed actions.

 Also because there at moment is only a few GMs capable of doing Law enforcement, the rest as I  see it ARE event GMs only. Thats why you only see a GM in-game very rarely.

[Nurahk]

KSing is cheating, so we will do whatever is possible to confirm the abuse and take the needed actions.

KSing when exploiting a bug or design error.

Just attacking a NPC that somebody else is camping is not KSing.

[Janner]

The player policy clearly disagrees with you. Nurahk.

 "Killstealing"

Nobody owns a spawn, and nobody owns any attackable NPC unless they are already fighting it!
Taking an NPC from someone when they have already started an attack is considered kill stealing and will be punishable by GMs through warnings, and then further actions if the player continues.
There is no need to ask players around a spawn whether you can "join" - everyone has a right to hunt or attack NPCs, and no one can refuse to share with you, since there is no ownership.

[zhai]

First /who game
if as you said there is no online GM then write a petition
each GM seeing it will keep an eye on the KSer so don't worry of the petition remains opened for a few days. We usualualy don't claim those until it's outdated so each of us can see it.
If you can, run an IRC client, rush into #planeshift-gmtalk on freenode
many GMs are here when they don't have a running client and or the GM char online.
contact one of the + voiced GMs so he can come and have a look

KSing is cheating, so we will do whatever is possible to confirm the abuse and take the needed actions.

 Also because there at moment is only a few GMs capable of doing Law enforcement, the rest as I  see it ARE event GMs only. Thats why you only see a GM in-game very rarely.

Actually, I see GMs on everyday, and that's a lot more than six months ago. I guess time zone differences give the wrong impression but if you file a /petition it'll probably be seen during the day or night.

[Robinmagus]

The player policy clearly disagrees with you. Nurahk.

 "Killstealing"

Nobody owns a spawn, and nobody owns any attackable NPC unless they are already fighting it!
Taking an NPC from someone when they have already started an attack is considered kill stealing and will be punishable by GMs through warnings, and then further actions if the player continues.
There is no need to ask players around a spawn whether you can "join" - everyone has a right to hunt or attack NPCs, and no one can refuse to share with you, since there is no ownership.

Actually, I'd like to think that it clearly agrees with Nurahk. When he said  camping, he meant sitting there and attacking for thousands of times. When he said attacking, he meant attacking before the camper does. Some people think that is KSing too. It is not.

I hope I'm right about this one. Don't want to defend a wrong person 

[Akaye]

Also because there at moment is only a few GMs capable of doing Law enforcement, the rest as I  see it ARE event GMs only. Thats why you only see a GM in-game very rarely.

What are you talking about? All the Gm have the same responsibilities. Anyway Hadfael, Tarel, myself, and Yill have been around often. We are not rarely in game lately Janner. We are in game daily. :/

[Shangreloo]

KSing is cheating, so we will do whatever is possible to confirm the abuse and take the needed actions.

KSing when exploiting a bug or design error.

Just attacking a NPC that somebody else is camping is not KSing.

I just want to clarify that I was not camping at the time.  I had just arrived at the mob and had definitely hit it with a spell. the other player hit the mob after the spell had been confirmed in the system's tab of the chat window. I also have a screenshot of the system text that confirms this.

Thanks to everyone who replied, I have sent a petition as suggested.

[Idoru]

ahhh, you were the one using the magic? I assumed it was the other person who used magic to steal the kill. I dont think the 'combat lock' works too well when you engage with magic

[Janner]

Also because there at moment is only a few GMs capable of doing Law enforcement, the rest as I  see it ARE event GMs only. Thats why you only see a GM in-game very rarely.

What are you talking about? All the Gm have the same responsibilities. Anyway Hadfael, Tarel, myself, and Yill have been around often. We are not rarely in game lately Janner. We are in game daily. :/

 I am in game for a lot of hours a day, and hardly any GM is on, yes you 4, are in game as much as you can be, care to say were rest are, and dont give the normal , we have life's, there is GMs I hardly ever seen on line, and also don't give you only play at certain time, I play days and night, some times all through night, so would have seen them. So I assume they are for events only, as this is the only reason I can think of not seeing them on a regular basses. Also will point out till recently you and Yill were normal players.

Q: Who are the Game Masters?

    * Uyaem -- GMlvl: 5; timezone: GMT+1
    * Bakuun -- timezone: GMT-8
    * Chaos -- GMlvl: 4; timezone: GMT-5
    * Hadfael -- GMlvl: 4; timezone: GMT+1
    * Kerol -- GMlvl: 4; timezone: GMT+1
    * Drey -- GMlvl: 3; timezone: BST (for a while)
    * Frostmorn
    * Noxide -- GMlvl: 2; timezone: GMT
    * Syilph -- GMlvl: 2; timezone: GMT+2
    * Tarel -- GMlvl: 2; timezone: GMT+1

 Plus Yill.  Minus Noxide.

[Nikodemus]

Actually the whole idea of KS with magic is darn funny Really, think about it.
I really dont know for what exactly GMs punish, but i suppose it is this way:

Player A is camping a mob killing it with summon missile
Player B coms in the meanwhile
*blink*! - mob spawns
A casts summon missile
0.5 seconds later B press atack macro and because weapons deal damage faster from the activation moment player B is the one who deals damage faster
A finishes his spell and it cause damage to the target.

In effect both A and B are unable to attack the mob and they wait for the timeout.

Of course there are different variations of this situation, but the principle is the same

Now, could some GM tell if its considered KS and what does this mean to mages?

[Karyuu]

care to say were rest are, and dont give the normal , we have life's, there is GMs I hardly ever seen on line, and also don't give you only play at certain time, I play days and night, some times all through night, so would have seen them.

Are you posting just to make people angry? Because I think this is precisely what you're doing. We have responsibilities that sometimes outweigh PlaneShift, and we don't have the sheer luxury of being in-game for days and nights. The GM list you posted is outdated, and my name is taken off the new one because I don't consider myself an active GM anymore - but I still find time to log in and check things. What happens is that if I see a couple of GMs already on, I leave because that means things are being taken care of and I can concentrate on the important tasks I have outside of the game.

[Idoru]

    

Sorry, always wanted to say that to you Karyuu

I think those GMs who are regularly online should be congratulated, Specifically im refering to Tarel and Hadfael, Thank you and you are doing a great job IMO

and at myself