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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2006, 10:04:03 pm »
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This has actually happened to me before as well. I stumbled across a rogue and began to attack it, using magic only, of course. This took me forever, literally I was disgusted, but I finally got it down to the point where I almost had it, and was already rejoicing at the concept of getting a tad more experience than I do for the rats, which is usally the only thing I can seem to kill with magic, when a guy comes along, hits the rogue twice, and kills it. I was rather frustrated, to say the least. I didn't know what I was supposed to do, since I don't level that much I hadn't looked into the rules about this sort of thing, and so didn't notify anyone. What I'm trying to say is that I've thought about this, and will be interested in seeing what the ruling is.

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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2006, 10:16:05 pm »
care to say were rest are, and dont give the normal , we have life's, there is GMs I hardly ever seen on line, and also don't give you only play at certain time, I play days and night, some times all through night, so would have seen them.

Are you posting just to make people angry? Because I think this is precisely what you're doing. We have responsibilities that sometimes outweigh PlaneShift, and we don't have the sheer luxury of being in-game for days and nights. The GM list you posted is outdated, and my name is taken off the new one because I don't consider myself an active GM anymore - but I still find time to log in and check things. What happens is that if I see a couple of GMs already on, I leave because that means things are being taken care of and I can concentrate on the important tasks I have outside of the game.

 Personally I don't give a fig if you get angry, I have a very demanding life to, probably face more real problems in a day than all of you do, All I am saying is there is hardly any of you on line, and am asking is the reason, that they are specifically for events, if so them that is the reason they are not online.
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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2006, 10:17:58 pm »
[...] when a guy comes along, hits the rogue twice, and kills it.

That doesn't seem like it should be possible

Janner: A little courtesy never hurt, right? In fact it would help you out a lot more than what you just said. Akaye already explained. There are no "only for events" GMs. Some of us are simply preoccupied.
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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2006, 10:29:33 pm »
Janner: A little courtesy never hurt, right?  That is very true, then I suggest my post are not viewed as a attack but as they were intended as a question, or in case of my first post in hear a reason for delays in responses to Petitions, if no GM is on line it can not be possibly responded to.
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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2006, 10:35:24 pm »
This is really a code bug and should be fixed soon I hope.

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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2006, 10:39:14 pm »
[...] when a guy comes along, hits the rogue twice, and kills it.

That doesn't seem like it should be possible
Actually its quite right ;) , furher the guy with swords who killed the rogue maybe didn't even notice Phinehas was trying to kill it with magic xP. I would be rather common if only people used magic^^ They don't because its so poor.
Why is it possible:
1. Phinehas start casting summon missile or whatever.
2. The fighter with two good swords and skills is successfull in hitting and dealing damage to the rogue with both of his swords the first time it is possible and in fact at the same time.
3. Rogue dies with swift death (probably not even noticing whats going on xP )
4. Since the Rogue is dead Phinehas spell is cancelled and not even spell effect is visible.
5. If Phinehas was far enough, the guy who killed the rogue won't even notice someone else was trying to do the same.

This is really wrong and i have loads of suggestions to fix this, but i have posted the all there and there, so i don;t think so repeating myself is a good idea. Also these ideas are rather unliked, coz you know what is my opinion about KS and similiar, heh.

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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2006, 10:41:19 pm »
[...] when a guy comes along, hits the rogue twice, and kills it.

That doesn't seem like it should be possible
Like I said, I'd gotten the rogue down to where he was almost dead. I'd also not engaged the rogue in physical combat, I was zapping it from a distance.

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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2006, 10:41:47 pm »
Nikodemus: Phinehas was fighting the Rogue for a while now before the second guy comes along. By all rules, the Rogue should have been "his" for quite some time. They did not attack at nearly the same time. Therefore this really looks like a bug.
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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2006, 10:56:47 pm »
There is a chance that Phinehas failed to cast a spell just enough times that the rogue wasn't considered his anymore as he dealt the last damage too long ago.



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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2006, 11:10:50 pm »
It is also possible he was attacking the rogue from a place where the rogue could not attack back. This would not have to be somplace such as an unclimbable hill or some other type of obstruction in between him and the rogue, it could be that he just kept moving out of the rogues attack radius and kept up a guerrilla attack as is appropriate for "weaker" opponents.

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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2006, 02:45:09 am »
What happened to Phinehas has happened to me, almost everytime. I stopped completely my magic training (for a while), despite the character being supposed to be a mage. Blue Way training costs way more that Axe, and not only it's not as effective (by far, but also it allows ranged attacks so that might be a balance thing), but any single time I engaged in some lenghty fight, someone would come and steal the kill. Actually I thought it was a 'feature' (magic attacks don't lock the target at all). It happens all the time. I tried also initiating a physical fight (attacking normally) then move away to cast. No matter if I land the spell or not, I'm gonna loose the rights on the target pretty soon. I spent once 11 healing potions on a mob, some mana potions, half an hour, just to be able to bring him at 5% health by means of both weapons and spells. Another guy came, single-hit killed him, moved away w/o saying a single word. Another time I had the strong impression that a certain player was camping me casting on a target, since he's been lingering around the fight area for while, and when the mod was almost down he attacked, landed a couple of hits and run away. Magic attacks don't lock the target, and (some) players are very aware of that.

Now I trained some Axe, and finally managed today to move away from rat killing. I've never meant my char to be a warrior of any kind (and stats speak for themselves, it's physically as weak as possibile, while being with high INT and WIL), but he's being way way way more successful as a puny fighter than as a talented mage.

As I see it, magic enables you to overcome you natural limits (at a price of being much more difficult to develop and expensive in terms of mana). That is, killing larger mobs. But if you don't own the kill, when you use magic, targeting big mobs turns out to be frequently a waste of time, a source of frustration, and a good chance for other player to exercise their rudeness. Not related to the topic, but have I mentioned my char is weak? he can't carry much. I've seen other players "camp" crowed areas just waiting for others to unintentionally drop stuff. They move fast in, grab the item, run away w/o saying a word. Now they might be playing a theif, I have no problem with that, but I consider it pretty rude to apply such a strategy w/o spending a word or two with the player (not the char), expecially if you've never seen him before. Like "hey I'm playing a thief, if you don't pick up your item i'm gonna steal it, sorry". Likewise it think it's very rude to steal a kill. You can't simply think that that mod is at 5% of health and nobody owns it. When I find a mod not at 100%, I look around, wait a bit, ask to anyone nearby, and only then I attack. That is, I make sure no one is on it.

OTOH, I have to say that too many times a mob won't fight back when magic attacked. Now I mix the two attack types (actually now I almost stopped using magic) but I think I've never seen a mob react to my attacks (well with autoattacking mobs you can't really know).

So, now that I think of it, it might be a bug with certain attack types. The spell I used is 'Freeze'. Phinehas maybe you're using the same? Actually I've seen mobs reacting to magic attacks of other kinds.


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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2006, 06:36:56 am »
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I am in game for a lot of hours a day, and hardly any GM is on, yes you 4, are in game as much as you can be, care to say were rest are, and dont give the normal , we have life's, there is GMs I hardly ever seen on line, and also don't give you only play at certain time,

I don't care how much you play the game because that isn't what this is about. I told you and I will tell you again I have been in game alot this past couple of weeks. Just because I don't have your conformation doesn't mean I haven't been, it just shows that you are either in a different time zone than me or you aren't paying attention.

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I play days and night, some times all through night, so would have seen them. So I assume they are for events only, as this is the only reason I can think of not seeing them on a regular basses. Also will point out till recently you and Yill were normal players.

What does Yill and I being "normal" players have to do with anything? My becoming Gm wasn't really that recently either. It happened about three and a half months ago. I got a full time job the same day I was promoted to gm. It was an interesting day.
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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2006, 08:32:46 am »

It seems that people can kill steal while another player is already engaged in combat against a mob. Is this true?

If so, what recourse do we have if there is no GM in game at the time?


There is little recourse except to steal your own kills, as it were.  As soon as it spawns, cast arrow on it.  That way, neither you nor the jerk will be able to attack it.  You won't get what you're after, but the kill stealer will leave in frustration -- probably after swearing at you, and in that case you can use the "/report playername" comand on them and a GM will read a copy of the report after they come online.


Edit:  If you are the one who is using magic, then you are actually the kill stealer.  If you want to practice magic on a mob, then switch to melee, then after you hit the mob, step away from it and start using your spells.
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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2006, 10:55:03 am »
Yeah! Mages are killstealers.



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Re: Magic and Kill Stealing
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2006, 07:09:25 pm »
Yeah! Mages are killstealers.

You should know better than to respond in such a childish manner.
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