Quests should give PP!

[sliss]

Hi there,

I see sometimes Plansshift "commercial" texts that tries to promote doing quests and I agree this is fun too (sometimes...) but why do they not give you any pp (Progression points)?
I think in order to promote people in doing quest you really should give them pp in return. The more difficult a quest the more pp.

What do you think?

Sliss

[AryHann]

I belong probably to a quite extremistic group (), but I honestly think that for enforcing RPG there shouldn't be PP at all.
However, PS is not an exclusive "extreme RPG" as far as I understood, but wants to offer a more differ typology of game.

With this premises, I would say however that I would tend to not agree in giving PP also through quests. It would make the solution of the quests really mechanic (people who have tendency to be "achievers" will simply try to do as many quests as possible without enjoying them really) and I think there are already other kind of incentives in what the quests can give as reward, that is more RPG and nicer, imho!
(object, money, information, etc.)

[Xordan]

Urr, they do. At least, they gave exp the last time I looked. I do agree with Arianna... I don't like the whole PP system myself.

[Malfini]

Why not just make it so that the more you use a sword for example the more practice you get and eventually level up without having to collect and then spend progression points at a trainer. I have 47579 of them but I don't even have anywhere near enough trias to spend them. It's kinda silly in my opinion.

[Karyuu]

As Xordan said, quests should give out PP. If you find any that don't, post their names here - it's a bug. Suggestions for the removal of PP or other training systems however probably deserve a new thread, with a search through the Wishlist first.

[Malfini]

As Xordan said, quests should give out PP. If you find any that don't, post their names here - it's a bug. Suggestions for the removal of PP or other training systems however probably deserve a new thread, with a search through the Wishlist first.

Ok, I just wrote down my exact progression points and my exact experience points and then did 5 quests and after each quest I had the exact amount of points I had before completing It. After doing all 5 I still had the exact amount of points I had at the beginning before doing the 5 quests. I hope this is enough to show that quests don't seem to be giving progression points or experience points.

Progression points before doing the quests=47631
Experience Points before doing the quests=32.5

List So Far
Becoming a Laanx Follower
Levrus Gold Ore
Harnquist Is Hungry
Harnquist Gold Ore Quest
Learning Sword Making

Progression points after doing the quests=47631
Experience points after doing the quests=32.5

[sliss]

Yes this was also a though of me... Why pp at all.. Good point

Why not just make it so that the more you use a sword for example the more practice you get and eventually level up without having to collect and then spend progression points at a trainer. I have 47579 of them but I don't even have anywhere near enough trias to spend them. It's kinda silly in my opinion.

[Xordan]

Why not? Because:
a) It requires a complete rewrite of the system.
b) Talad likes PP.

Looks like exp giving by quests is broken then... bug Will see if it can be fixed soonish.

[Nikodemus]

I did not realize you devs don't like it too ;P I gues someone has to if it is stil there, or it is because there are higher piorities and there is idea about system with no PP, but more complex than was proposed in the various threads?
Thats right, there are countless threads where PPs were criticized. And inside it was answered why not make training with no teacher.

EDIT: gah! How Talad may like PP ? x)
and if you say that it need complete rewritin, i assume you want to put some system in place of the PPs, because if not, it cant be hard to delete few things from the code, so that the system wont use PP while training, but only trias

[Xordan]

Yes, I'd want to replace it with something else, or alter it significantly but keep the idea of PP. The thing I don't like about it is that you need to kill 10000 rats to be able to learn how to bake a cake. That's just dumb.

[Nikodemus]

I thought that what's dump is no matter where you get PPs, you can spent them on unrelated skills. But you know that. and yeah, when you start game, the universal thing for gaining PPs you can do is only fighting.
I liked the idea of Bereror that gaining experience you can't gain it too much at once, so no matter what you do later, you gain no exp or whatever. like 30 minutes of skilling 2 hours pause.
it would be satisfying if the system was a bit harder, hiding some of its parts making it like unpredictable from player side.


Hmm, if this thread is supposed to be for reporting quests for which you dont get PPs, so be it. For me it doesnt matter at all.

[iceddragons]

If you don't like PPs, go to one of the many cookie cutter MMORPGs that don't have them. Personally I prefer something different. As for the quests, from what I've seen, it would be easier to make a list of which ones do give PP, granted I haven't seen many.

[LigH]

As long as there are PP...

... in my opinion, NPC quests should give PP too -- because elsewhere it would be impossible to train stats & skills without killing at least one opponent. Remember: Even for learning mining, you still need a few PP first.

Bug #1594 - tagged as "Solved", but obviously broken again.

[neko kyouran]

Request to move this to the bugs forum section since it is a bug afterall.

Just trying to keep the wishlist area tidy.