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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2006, 04:57:47 am »
Actually it's the head, the face is in full view.

No it isn't.... this is about burqa's which do cover the face, and come under this law. If it was about headscarf's then it would be totally different.... but it isn't so your point isn't that relevant. So I don't see why it's a big deal. If they don't like it then they don't have to live there. Same goes for people who want to wear their balaclava's.

Ohh, it's good you mentioned that Xordan.
Burqa's are a Traditional Custom and have nothing to do with their religeon, so i guess there is nothing to stop them from banning them.

I thought this was a veil issue.
Guess burqa's are going to go then because i don't think it has any good reasons to stay at this point.

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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2006, 05:17:52 am »
Any kind of 'religious' or 'cultural' clothing or accessories can and often will become a problem to someone.

Should that kid in Montreal be allowed to wear his kirpan to school?  There is a no knives policy surely. Canada's Supreme Court says it's ok. 

That Muslim English teacher in Britain who got suspended for refusing to take her full head veil around her male co-workers.  Could not seeing your co-worker/teacher's face hamper things at the school in some manner?

In Canada, it's been ruled that Sikh RCMP's (Police) can wear their turbins while on duty - rather than the traditional hat that everyone else on the force has to wear.

All tradition, be it secular or religious is sacred to someone.  Some flex with the times, others stay stead-fast to their roots. Some unfortunately choose out of convenience when to exercise their religious traditions. Evidently the Muslim British school teacher had gone to her job interview with no veil. (That's what I read, be that accurate or not I know of countless times I've seen people play the religious - or race - card when it suits their purpose ATM)   

Some places and groups allow for easier integration for the minority.  Others, not so much. I've heard that in some places in the Mid-East it's a big no-no for (western) women to walk around in public wearing the traditional no-veil of their home country. 

Me, I'm not predisposed to feel a certain way about religious fashion one way or another. 

Case by case, based on safety, respect and common sense.   We can't please everyone all the time. 

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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2006, 05:43:29 am »
If someone is offended by the wearing of a veil it sounds like its their problem.  America is having alot of the same problems atm with atheists (and plenty of other groups.. not just to single out the atheists).  I dont remember the guys name (or care).. but he is a father of a girl who doesnt live with him (she lives with her mother who is a christian) and he took a case all the way to the supreme court to try and get rid of "a nation under God" out of the pledge of allegiance. Maybe a small minority of people will complain about stupid things.. that doesnt mean they should get their way.

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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2006, 05:52:30 am »
There was a case in Canada where someone (who I also don't care to look up their name) wanted to take the word 'God' out of Canada's National Anthem.  Come to think of it, when I was a kid we'd recite the Lord's Prayer in school before or after we'd sing O'Canada.  My daughter goes to the same school now and it's just the song now. 

At least the big-box stores aren't going to lose the Merry Christmas theme for Happy Winter or whatever....yet.  I personally like the festive stuff, just not until mid-December.
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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2006, 06:33:21 am »
Here in the USA, they did drop the Merry Christmas line.  It was just seasons greetings.  Walmart decided to bring it back this year though.

Politicaly Corectness is nice and all, but eveything has a limit.  ::)

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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2006, 05:07:43 pm »
I'm Dutch, and I am quite surprised that this issue gets attention internationally. Firstly it's no law yet, just a proposal. Besides that, it's only about the Burqa, which covers the full face. It has nothing to do with wearing a normal head scarf, which is perfectly possible here. In my opinion that proposal has nothing to do with stopping people from expressing their religion. It's just a matter of not being unrecognizable.

Next Wednesday we have national elections here, but the whole Burqa thing is not really an issue in the elections. And rightfully so. According to that BBC article less then 100 people wear such a burqa in the Netherlands which is quite possible as I never have seen any.
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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2006, 05:24:03 pm »
I haven't seen them either, and I live near a city with one of the highest muslim percentages of the population.
You mostly see headscarves, and those are fine.
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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2006, 06:29:44 pm »
It's become 'big news' because of the whole "Everyone is Islamiphobic, we are hard done by" which a few Muslims are throwing around nowadays.
That Muslim English teacher in Britain who got suspended for refusing to take her full head veil around her male co-workers.  Could not seeing your co-worker/teacher's face hamper things at the school in some manner?

That's wrong, the suspension had nothing to do with that at all.  The issue was that she wouldn't take off her full head veil while teaching. The kids couldn't understand her properly because it muffled her voice. So she got suspended, which is fair enough. I'd expect the same thing to happen if it was a balaclava or other item that hid the mouth :) She changed her story later and said that she wouldn't take it off in front of male co-workers, but that was to try and get compensation, not the reason why she got suspended. Unfortunately there's the attitude which I mentioned a few lines above where if it involves Islam in any way it's prejudice against Muslims etc. Even though if you went to a Islamic country you'd be forced to abide by their customs. Things seem a lot of "One rule for us, another for everyone else" sometimes.
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Re: Dutch to ban wearing of Muslim burqa in public
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2006, 07:10:05 pm »
Racism is the stick used by many ethnic groups, mostly when they are in the minority to get what they want. Sometimes it is appropriate, sometimes not. It is usually effective. In many cases its use is the same as the old question "have you stopped beating your wife?" It assumes guilt on the part of the person it is used upon regardles of the merits of the situation. Sexism is also used in this manner as are other isms used as epithtets.