[ORGANIZATION] O.L.P. : A Secret Society

[Datruth]

*Matt, with a dazed little man on his shoulder.*

Meh, what was the purpose of posting if you can't tell us what you do? Why would we care you exist? Frankly, this sounds like boasting to me. Some newbie feels the need to lord it over everyone else by informing them that they've been left out of a so-called "secret society". If I started a secret society, I would keep it secret.

I rarely agree with phin, but i have to say i agree, The best secret societies would be the ones that are known throuought Yliakum, but hidden from our forums.

I don't mind though, thanks for posting and sharing some info with us, hope that organization goes well.

* Datruth slips my jacket on, running through the alleyways back to my own secret hideaway.

lol 

~~Datruth

[Akaye]

  Ok fair enough lordraleigh. You have answered my questions, and I did indeed misunderstand certain words. Good luck with your "secret" and may your organization prosper.

[zanzibar]

@miadon:  There's nothing to say that this guild is similar to Free Masons.  Already, there are some differences - Free Masons don't claim to have an overarching plan that their organization works towards, and the Free Masons are not at all a secret society.  They are secretive, but not at all secret.

@lordraleigh:  You haven't included any details on the history or purpose of your guild.  If you expect people to discover such things, then you haven't really given anyone a way to start.  You've said "Hey, here's a guild you're not supposed to know about!", but you haven't said why this guild is important or how people can interact with it.  Also, you shouldn't use the word "classified".  Classified means that you admit that the information is there, but you can't reveal it.  I'm not sure that's what you mean to say.

Good luck with your guild.  I'm fond of secret organizations when they're done well.

[bilbous]

I think the reference to the freemasons had a couple points, one of the ranks is that of a mason who will be building their clubhouse. The other was a riff on my talking about higher orders that ordinary members know nothing about and purposes of which they are also unaware, both of which have rightly or wrongly been said of the Freemasons.

[Phinehas]

Ok, I just noticed the post in the guild list, and now I'm really confused. So basically what you're running here is a public secret guild? Public OOC, but private IC?

Not to be cynical, but I'm thinking it's not going to last too long.

In my opinion, a secret organisation should be known only to those whom the current members have deemed worthy to join.

[zanzibar]

I think the reference to the freemasons had a couple points, one of the ranks is that of a mason who will be building their clubhouse. The other was a riff on my talking about higher orders that ordinary members know nothing about and purposes of which they are also unaware, both of which have rightly or wrongly been said of the Freemasons.

Lower levels are aware of higher levels, they just don't associate with each other.

[bilbous]

Officially there is no order higher than 33rd in the Scottish Rite as can be seen from their own websites. There are stories that there are higher orders where the real purpose of Masonry is known. It was to these stories I was referring. I make no claim for the stories veracity, I just mention their existence.

[zanzibar]

Officially there is no order higher than 33rd in the Scottish Rite as can be seen from their own websites. There are stories that there are higher orders where the real purpose of Masonry is known. It was to these stories I was referring. I make no claim for the stories veracity, I just mention their existence.

Hmm.  News to me.

[Parallo]

The best secret societies would be the ones that are known throuought Yliakum, but hidden from our forums.

Wouldn't really be a secret socity if it was known through out Yliakum would it?


So OOC we know it exists but we're not allowed to know its function or goals? Seems a tad silly to bother posting then to be honest.

[lordraleigh]

The best secret societies would be the ones that are known throuought Yliakum, but hidden from our forums.

Wouldn't really be a secret socity if it was known through out Yliakum would it?


So OOC we know it exists but we're not allowed to know its function or goals? Seems a tad silly to bother posting then to be honest.

There is a goal and function: "To work towards progress of Yliakum, so future generations may live in a better world"
(Clear the cache of your browser. There isn't anymore "classified" stuff. Or read its lasts lines it is there also a way to contact me),

Giving more details would be something like telling "The ending of the singleplayer RPG X is this way: ...". In other words: it would be like a spoiler. How would be fun to join a organization where your character was invited if you as player already knew all its details and secrets?

[Parallo]

There is a goal and function: "To work towards progress of Yliakum, so future generations may live in a better world"

It dosn't say that in the first post. Seems pointless posting without it.
New guild, information is as follows: -classified- 

Giving more details would be something like telling "The ending of the singleplayer RPG X is this way: ...". In other words: it would be like a spoiler. How would be fun to join a organization where your character was invited if you as player already knew all its details and secrets?

I wasn't asking for all its secrets, just for a bit more detail than 'classified.'

[zanzibar]

And you still haven't given a way that your guild can interact with the community and a way the community can interact with the guild.  Right now, it's just "out there".

[hitancrias]

I think it's perfectly legitimate for a secret guild / organisation to advertise on the forums. As long as people keep OOC and IC separated there's no harm done. Of course there will always be people who can't separate both, but that's a risk he takes at his full mind.

Only to invite good roleplayers is an other right you have. To be in a guild / organisation together it has to work out both IC and OOC-ly.

Some say: "you should have kept it secret OOC-ly" while others said "you should give more information on the forums". To me it seems that a road in the middle is just as arguable. Why not try to use a forum thread as a teaser? I'm not sure if the key words "secret" and "good alligned" alone can do the trick, but there's no harm in trying. In fact I think that a recruitment threads rarely ever work, but that's an other discussion.

Maybe it would be nice if you provided your in game char name, so people can contact you ingame?

Any way... good luck. You're gonna need it. Launching a good RP guild is not an easy thing.

[Phinehas]

Another thought... what would a secret society possibly be able to do unless the members themselves are quite powerful? However, this doesn't seem like the sort of thing that all sorts of guild leaders are going to jump at and what-not... I know that it's probably still a valid idea, but Phinehas, for one, wouldn't want to join a secret society full of crafters and random useless individuals. He would want to know that the society had some real power, and therefore a point.

*The little man on Matt's shoulder nods his head emphatically.*

[themule]

I know that it's probably still a valid idea, but Phinehas, for one, wouldn't want to join a secret society full of crafters and random useless individuals. He would want to know that the society had some real power, and therefore a point.

Hmm. That seems to me OOC knowledge leaking into Phinehas. What "real power" is, I mean.

Is it money? Is it skills? Is it the ability of earning PPs fast? Just game mechanisms. The game may be somehow unbalanced, now... 20 levels in the Blue Way aren't as effective as 20 in the Red one? (I don't really know, just making examples) 20 levels in metallurgy won't make you earn money faster than 20 levels in sword? A top warrior is  currently more "powerful" than a top crafter? All this is OOC knowledge. A top metallurgist would be highly respected in Yliakum, just as a top sword maker, and no less than a top swordman. Phinehas should consider a secret society made by top crafters as quite powerful.

More about it... There's a lot of fighting action in game, now, but Yliakum is supposed to be a civilized world.  Highly skilled professionals, including crafters, are expected to be very rich, and overall considered very successful in life, even more than skilled warriors. And in a RP world, in theory, there's no need to earn any PP or money. You could play a nobleman, or be rich, without carrying a single tria. In fact, rich men usually don't need to actually carry money at all. Most of the time they don't even need to display any skill.  I said "in theory" of course, because playing such a character would need a lot of cooperation (and agreement) by other players. But imagine an organization like a Bank backing such a character up. He would be able to buy top weapons, and to pay top warriors and mages as bodyguards/mercenaries. He could create a "personal army". He would be "powerful" as long as money is power in the real of Yliakum.

Whether to cooperate or not, is entierly up to you, the player. But if you decide to accept that setting, well Phinehas will have to comform, somehow. And what if the rich man is a member of that secret society?