PS organisational issues and some proposels

[Datruth]

It would help if you stop putting words in our mouths...

And I have no idea what

so don't think you're at fault, it's just, this is Planeshift politics.

means.

I'm sorry, if i put words in your mouth, if i did, please quote them, and i'll withdraw them all.

And by PS politics, I mean just that, the politics of getting on the dev team.

It's not all about talent, and quite a few talented Dev's have left, thanks to ps politics.

~~Datruth

[dying_inside]

I have to say that i think little by little the community is being introduced to planeshift development a little more all the time. take the texturing rat competition for instance. I think that was a brilliant way to involve the community!
A little more could be done probably, but compared to hw it as when i first came, its a step.

I thnk that  there should  be a few more community challenges like that, it places guidlines and such on what can and cant be taken in. talad gets to decide if its good enough for PS and fits  the setting and style etc.  SO maybe a few ore of these type of things would be the right level of community involvment.

[Karyuu]

It's not all about talent, and quite a few talented Dev's have left, thanks to ps politics.

Ooh, I want names Gimmegimme.

[Nurahk]

Of course it's not all about talent.  You need pratice, teamwork and devotion in there aswell.

The Devs have a lot to do so recruition is slow.  I'm sure everybody would appreciate it if you stopped underestimating their workload.

[ThomPhoenix]

It's not all about talent, and quite a few talented Dev's have left, thanks to ps politics.

Some devs have left, yes.
That's normal.
But because of "politics"?
Nope

[Nikodemus]

Some devs have left, yes.
That's normal.
But because of "politics"?
Nope

How can you be sure? Do you know the reason of every single dev who is now gone?

[Karyuu]

I'm pretty sure Datruth doesn't

[Nikodemus]

I can assume a dev may leave because of loosing interest and having not enough time anymore. For the community it is sometimes like there was a dev and sometimes he is gone, without a word. In such situations i start wondering what could have happened. But maybe people don't leave just like that? They tell Talad whats going on and so he dev team know, whic the community doesn't, what may be subject of some mistery
I sometimes wonder where DaveG went, or why Kada disappeared. But there is no proof to state any reason of the leaving ;P
I'm only a kind of person who allows each possiblity, even the normally unsuspected. But please don't mess DT to this x)

[Induane]

I can't say whom because it would be a breach of confidence so you'll have to either take my word or don't.  I personally know 3 different developers who have left because of politics because I maintained contact with them for quite a while after they left.  I was fairly good friends with 2 of them and one of them was someone who helped me with a ton of different things when I first arrived here.  Some had personal problems with others in the dev team, others felt that their concerns were being ignored - I know they were trying to help, and I agreed with some of what they tried to do.  Too bad some of them left

I don't know about any others but I do remember all kinds of accusations of social engineering by Moogie to hurt some devs and vica versa personal problems, etc...  Politics play a role, there is no doubt.

[ThomPhoenix]

I know who you're referring to, but I don't think that interpersonal issues count as politics?
I guessed PS politics meant like, the goals of the project, the way it's lead.

[Datruth]

I know who you're referring to, but I don't think that interpersonal issues count as politics?
I guessed PS politics meant like, the goals of the project, the way it's lead.

Here are some good definitions i got on politics, and induane is quite right when he meant personal problems with people.

use of intrigue or strategy in obtaining any position of power or control, as in business, university, etc.

to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way, as for job advancement.

The art or science of government or governing, especially the governing of a political entity, such as a nation, and the administration and control of its internal and external affairs.

Let's just say, i've heard of enough cases of powerstruggle going on, with the team against itself.

People have left the team because of the ongoing powerstruggle in the Centralized controlled Planeshift team.
That and some bickering between the team and it's members.
We all agree on this point.

~~Datruth

[Karyuu]

I don't think "personal problems" count as politics. Who has left the team during your time here because of power struggles? Seriously now.

[Datruth]

I don't think "personal problems" count as politics. Who has left the team during your time here because of power struggles? Seriously now.

Are you saying, no one has left the team since february of 2006 because of internal problems?

Give me a break karyuu, you know the names as well as i do, and you know i'm not allowed to discuss Gm or Dev decisions on these boards.
You'd gladly delete any comment i made and spent precious time on.

~~Datruth

[Karyuu]

Are you saying, no one has left the team since february of 2006 because of internal problems?

That's exactly what I'm saying

[josephoenix]

Give me a break karyuu, you know the names as well as i do, and you know i'm not allowed to discuss Gm or Dev decisions on these boards.

Er, sorry... but this is a public thread, right? The rest of us don't know what (you say) Karyuu does. Since she's asking for your answer, I don't think she'll be likely to delete it.

josePhoenix