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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2006, 01:43:41 am »
I had to change my guilds name from "Elite Guard" not too long ago because a GM was telling me that the name "Elite Guard" was used in another game. I know for a FACT that the term "Elite Guard" is used in countless places all over the world to simply describe a military force that is very good. I see things like the refusal to confess that "bugger" should be a changed because it means "sodomy", as a double-standard. I have seen people picked on for much less than saying "bugger". It seems like it is just too easy to pick on a player but when a player recommends that a NPC in the game be modified slightly because it may be offensive to others they are said to be starting trouble. When I first made this thread I was expecting a little more support/agreement from GM's/developers, but apparently I was incorrect to expect that.

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Xordan says this game uses UK English and I know that in the UK (Where Janner is from) the word bugger in many contexts means a "sodomite" etc.. Kiraki, you're right that dictionary is bad, so why are you posting it on here?
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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2006, 01:54:43 am »
to quite simply show different defintions.

and I'm from the UK and 98% of the time I hear people use the word "bugger" or "sod" they mean it in the "damn it" or "that damn annoying person". Altough it is probably an age gap, words considered semi-rude 50 years ago and not so now.

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2006, 01:57:28 am »
So just to be clear. Do we have official permission to go around in the game calling each other buggers, telling people to bugger off etc and we won't get dinged for being OOC or using abusive language?

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2006, 01:58:00 am »
to quite simply show different defintions.

and I'm from the UK and 98% of the time I hear people use the word "bugger" or "sod" they mean it in the "damn it" or "that damn annoying person". Altough it is probably an age gap, words considered semi-rude 50 years ago and not so now.


People in the USA will also say say F**k without trying to refer to sexual intercourse, but that doesn't mean that it is an acceptable word.
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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2006, 02:01:59 am »
So just to be clear. Do we have official permission to go around in the game calling each other buggers, telling people to bugger off etc and we won't get dinged for being OOC or using abusive language?

All the permission you need. No matter how hard people may try to poke at this, it's simply not an offensive word anymore and to spend so much energy trying to get this changed seems silly.
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« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2006, 02:03:38 am »
Sodomite is not a synonym of bugger unless you're taken it upon yourself to be obnoxiously silly.

Several dictionaries I have looked at seem to say otherwise Zanzibar.


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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2006, 02:05:00 am »
This is very funny.  And very unnecessary.  We are not talking about a major rewrite of the game's code.  We're not even talking about changing the whole NPC dialog.  We're talking about the difference that one letter could make.  Changing the 'u' to an 'e' in the NPC dialog could be done in less than a minutes work, and would save the possibility of someone being offended or having their children exposed to language that *is still* considered offensive in many parts of the world.

Karyuu, since you've decided to adopt the position of judge in this debate, I'll address this to you.  I asked my mother, my two brothers, my sister, and 3 friends what the word 'bugger' meant to them.  All of them answered that it was as a synonym for the word 'sodomite', or words to that effect.  As for your statement that the NPC doesn't mean it in that context, how do you know?  Does the NPC state that somewhere?  If he did, then that would be an important piece of information that was left out of this discussion.  If he didn't, then you are merely offering us *your* interpretation of what the NPC said.  And I can pretty much guarantee that your interpretation is not that of the entire world, unless you made the effort to offer a world-wide poll on the subject.

This is a question of morality, or immorality, as the case may be.  The word *is* considered vulgar in many parts of the world, not just Britain.  And it seems to me that, if players can get banned for using foul language or harassing other players, even the possibility of an NPC using a word that can be considered vulgar in anyway should not be allowed.  Otherwise, the rule against foul language is hypocritical, as somewhere, sometime, a person is going to read it and be offended.  If you're going to take a stance against being offensive, then don't play at it.  Do it!

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2006, 02:07:01 am »
I have noticed that a certain NPC will under a certain circumstance refer to the person talking to them as a "bugger".
I am aware that in many forms of English this word is considered an expletive. The meaning of the word in many contexts is "sodomy", "sodomize", or "sodomite". I thought it would be best to let some GM's or developers that might read this know.

This is destructive to the game, picking apart little things that don't need change.

Whereas I'd Like all races to have a city.
I saw a Similar thread of a person wanting to change the Art of the Ylian, especially a small sliver of a blonde mustace over the brown one.


Guys this is nitpicking, nock it off, I want to see this game develop quickly and efficiently.

Pointing out stupid things like this only hinders progress.

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #53 on: December 01, 2006, 02:09:37 am »
As for your statement that the NPC doesn't mean it in that context, how do you know?

Being on the dev team often makes such things clear. Moreover, if you cannot understand that the NPC is not trying to call anyone a "sodomite," it's really your problem at this point and I'm going to sit here and shake my head at you :)

I find this entire thread quite stupid, and I'm not worried about admitting it.
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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #54 on: December 01, 2006, 02:10:42 am »
Thank you Ginorey!! I am so happy that you see how easy it would be to simply change that one word the NPC says. I was trying to tell the developers that some people may find that one word offensive and I figured they could change it easily. I don't know why so many people aren't happy that I cared enough about other peoples enjoyment of the game to bring this to their attention.
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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #55 on: December 01, 2006, 02:12:57 am »
As for your statement that the NPC doesn't mean it in that context, how do you know?

Being on the dev team often makes such things clear. Moreover, if you cannot understand that the NPC is not trying to call anyone a "sodomite," it's really your problem at this point and I'm going to sit here and shake my head at you :)

I find this entire thread quite stupid, and I'm not worried about admitting it.

I thought i'd never say this but i agree with you.

If you gave them the option of Having another City built, or fixing this, they'd choose the city in a heartbeat.

Yet They don't understand nitpicking at stupid things like this, HINDERS people from finishing the city.

Today it's this word, tommorow fix ups on the Art, slight changes.(Only 4 minutes each)
The next day other things, like the grass.

This is B.S and everyone knows it, If you're affended by the Word Bugger, UNDERSTAND A ROBOT JUST SAID IT TO YOU, not a Person.

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #56 on: December 01, 2006, 02:13:48 am »
Malfini: Maybe because the developers see your level of "attention" as excessive and unnecessary? Are you actually offended at this personally, or have you met other people who have been outraged at this term coming from an NPC? You seem unnecessarily worried about something I have never encountered from other people, and I see this level of nitpicking as petty and "I just need something to complain about."

I'm with the great majority here when I say that I don't give a damn about this word being used, and if anyone actually knows that the word can also mean "sodomite," they are old enough to understand the proper context.

Now bugger off ;)

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #57 on: December 01, 2006, 02:20:37 am »
Since we're being fun and nitpicking things........where's the darn toilets at!!!!!  My menki has to pee.

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #58 on: December 01, 2006, 02:24:29 am »
Since we're being fun and nitpicking things........where's the darn toilets at!!!!!  My menki has to pee.

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Re: NPC using an expletive?
« Reply #59 on: December 01, 2006, 02:33:55 am »
ok for you nitpickers do this.. it will keep you busy. its supposed to be midevil times right? so find out when bugger was first used as a derogitory [sp?] word. then see if the word was even used in midevil times. then post your answers


then realize it doesnt matter because it is a free game.

[seriously tho someone look it up i wanna know]
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