Skill limit

[Ceriy]

I think about skills...

I think about maxed skills. Normally, in games like this, skills have always an upper limit. Why? Think about it...

I'll prefer a skill system wich don't impose an upper limit. In this way, I suppose higher skill than normal should cost a lot of PP (something like 500/1000 PP each rank)... the advantage is a major diffentiation between characters.

This will avoid having maxed skills, so I think the consequence are:
- Any character is different much more to each other, and character with max skills can't be compared with others
- Character can choose to train only few skill, instead (because main skills are maxed) train other non intersting skills for the character.

I don't want, for my character, do crafting. I want train only magic... but when all magic skills are trained, what I could do?

Maybe I miss something... or maybe it's a good idea. 

[Nurahk]

It just leaves the possibility of God Characters is all, Ceriy.

[Ceriy]

Uhm... maybe... but a rank with more than 20000 PP could be considered a limit? In my opinion, yes! (Maybe because I don't have enought experience in this game).

Even if an user reach 20000 PP, he level up only by 1 rank... than, it should gain more than 20000 PP ro rankup again...

At the end, even if there's no upper level limit, there is a *pratical* upper level limit...

[Datruth]

It just leaves the possibility of God Characters is all, Ceriy.

Well currently we are able to hit each other and kill with 1 hit... so we are sort of godlike right now.

But i know what you mean, currently, even wielding two SWSS's it still takes quite a few hits to get an ulber down to 0, with unmaxable training, eventually an ulber will be a one hit kill as well.

But i get what ceriy means too, about getting bored when all skills are maxed, currently i'd suggest RPing, making fun situations and events for each other.
I'm not focused on maxing my skills each day or mining because i sometimes have other side events to go to.

Also my guild has Weekly guild events people take part of, a way to get rid of the same old training that goes along in Planeshift.

~~Datruth

[Nikodemus]

You all forget about one important matter.
Skills are not only about fighting with sword
There is for example light armor, which needs twice as much theoretical knowledge, like 400 PP at the highest ranks
Magic ways which cost like 3 times more than eg light armor so 1200 PP.

But as the system is going to change soon, to something what may be very diferent from the current, this discussion is pointless anyway ;P

[neko kyouran]

I do believe the current way it is set up, the max you can have a stat skill is something like 500ish.  Just thier isn't any trainers that let you go anywhere near that.  So in that frame of thinking, all skills are nearly limitless, just you are limited on the npc trainers ability to teach. 

As Niko did state though, Xordan is currently preparing a proposal to change the current system (at least that is what he nudged at in another recent wishlist thread), so I'd say just wait and see what, if anything, gets changed.

[Garile]

Well believe he was saying he was going to suggest something to change PP or to change them into something else. If there is a max or not to skills is a different matter

Anyhow if you make it so the PP you need for training another level at some point starts to grow exponentially you'll soon come at the point where theorectically you could stil train but in practice it would be nearly impossible to train any higher.

Would be realistic however to keep the option open and ben fun to see how high people will get

[chazarus]

Uhm... maybe... but a rank with more than 20000 PP could be considered a limit? In my opinion, yes! (Maybe because I don't have enought experience in this game).

Even if an user reach 20000 PP, he level up only by 1 rank... than, it should gain more than 20000 PP ro rankup again...

At the end, even if there's no upper level limit, there is a *pratical* upper level limit...

20k PP wow then i could use some of this excess i got .... seriously

[ereale]

i agree, practically the lvl training can rise forever, without anyone getting past a certain stage.  based on the impossibility of having enough time to gather the pps needed to reach such amazingly high lvls of training. i imagine that the training at massive levels would cost a fortune and hardly be worth it, unless you want to have no time left to rp! we can all buy potions and raise our stats massively, but nobody really bothers too much, because of the effort involved. i may have made a point there somewhere.....hopefully. At least i am no longer a ps forum virgin!!!!

[Zan]

It maybe logical that skills have no limit ... but it is not logical that you can train without a limit. Not in the current system at least because we can only train with experienced teachers. If you are specializing in something the day will come that nobody else can teach you anything.

Lets take Harnquist for example, you are training blacksmithing with Harn and you work very hard and learn quickly. One day you will know everything that Harnquist knows and there will be nothing he can teach you anymore. So you go out to look for another teacher/trainer and travel around the world. Now it happens to be that Harnquist is the best smith in entire Yliakum and no other blacksmith knows more. So now you cannot learn anything new anymore. Your skill is limited by your teacher.

This is not very natural and that is why I've always liked the idea of learning skills without needing training first, learn by trial and error. Basically your skill rises simply by using it, just like it does when you first buy theoretical training from a trainer. Of course this innate learning should go extremely slow and learning with a trainer will go a whole lot quicker. With innate learning skills wouldn't be limited though.

A master blacksmith can now improve even when there is nobody else who can teach him, his improvements will be incredibly slow though.

[Vrin]

also lets say you go out and maxed out a skill for instance harnquist teaches you all he knows.   Then you go out and work hard and find something new, I belive you should be the new teacher for that rank.  Lets have some of the pc's be able to teach ranks.

[Parallo]

Oh good lord.

* Parallo imagines all the power levelers that already thing they are great being the ones that rpers have to go to to get training and crys.

[Coneitic]

Lets take Harnquist for example, you are training blacksmithing with Harn and you work very hard and learn quickly. One day you will know everything that Harnquist knows and there will be nothing he can teach you anymore. So you go out to look for another teacher/trainer and travel around the world. Now it happens to be that Harnquist is the best smith in entire Yliakum and no other blacksmith knows more. So now you cannot learn anything new anymore. Your skill is limited by your teacher.

you say harnquist is the greatest blacksmith in yliakum and you say your skill is limited by your teacher, so since trasok trained harnquist... shouldnt trasok be the greatest.. under that reason.

popularity doesnt mean greatness

[Parallo]

Harnquist= any smith.
Its an example. You adressed nothing in the post except the use of the name Harnquist in an example.

[Akaye]

popularity doesnt mean greatness

No it doesn't but I don't think anyone said in this thread that it does. Harnquist and Trasok are both well known blacksmiths in Yliakum and both equally skilled at their jobs in my eyes. It doesn't really matter who is more skilled though because that wasn't the point.

  Lets keep in mind that this is a discussion and that picking at each other or others statements can be pmed.

* Akaye pokes Parallo and Coneitic with a peace stick