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Re: Youtube Named Times Person of the Year 2006
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2006, 07:12:53 am »
AS for copyright infringement, If you buy a cd and want to share it with people, on a global scale, I HAVE no problem with it.

I don't think it's up to you, though?
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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2006, 07:19:46 am »
That would have to be one huge sound system and would deafen almost everyone so you could reach every last person .....

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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2006, 07:39:41 am »
Yeah well That is all very fine and good but let me know where I can get copies of this bands albums. I saw nothing on that site that would let me. I suppose I could listen to them if they didn't use crappy flash which is not well supported in linux.


Just go to one of their shows and ask them in person.
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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2006, 07:40:09 am »
AS for copyright infringement, If you buy a cd and want to share it with people, on a global scale, I HAVE no problem with it.

I don't think it's up to you, though?

The power is with the people.
Unless you are a totalitarian...

The government is for the people and by the people, in order to protect our civil liberties.
Its abilities stop after that point and become frivolous poltics.
The power lies with us, the people.

So yes karyuu... i believe this is up to me.

And I have made my stance.
Have you?

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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2006, 07:44:15 am »
The idea of taming livestock to be used as a source of food was revoluntionary.  The idea of using electricity as a source of power to fuel anything from light bulbs to give light over expensive candels, to modern day times of powering the computer you currently are using, was revolutionary.  The idea of taking food and keeping it cold to make it last longer was revolutionary.  Youtube is not revolutionary.

The person who invented the refridgerator was not a revolutionist. The idea to store food to keep it cool to make it last longer was long ago thought of before the fridge ever came out.  All the fridge did was make this idea convenient to the masses.  Before that, it was limited to a room full of ice blocks.  

The idea of massive public sharing of videos, opinions, information, data, etc, etc was well in existance long before YouTube came along.  YouTube simply made sharing videos easy, a convenience.  Before youtube, there was/is bit torrent, before that, peer 2 peer programs, before that, user made websites, before that, Usenet, etc etc.  The idea behind the Internet itself was to be able to send and share data with people all over the world.

If anything, YouTube is no more than the VCR.  But unlike the VCR, you can share vidoes with people all around the world near instantaneously.Again, it's convenience.   The creators of YouTube took the idea of sharing videos, and made a simple, easy way to do it.  But they weren't the first ones to do it/ think up the idea.

A product is never revolutionary, it's the idea behind the product that is.  YouTube is a product of the idea that there should be a way to massively share videos with people all over the world.  But that idea has been around long before YouTube.

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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2006, 07:51:12 am »
The idea of taming livestock to be used as a source of food was revoluntionary.  The idea of using electricity as a source of power to fuel anything from light bulbs to give light over expensive candels, to modern day times of powering the computer you currently are using, was revolutionary.  The idea of taking food and keeping it cold to make it last longer was revolutionary.  Youtube is not revolutionary.

The person who invented the refridgerator was not a revolutionist. The idea to store food to keep it cool to make it last longer was long ago thought of before the fridge ever came out.  All the fridge did was make this idea convenient to the masses.  Before that, it was limited to a room full of ice blocks. 

The idea of massive public sharing of videos, opinions, information, data, etc, etc was well in existance long before YouTube came along.  YouTube simply made sharing videos easy, a convenience.  Before youtube, there was/is bit torrent, before that, peer 2 peer programs, before that, user made websites, before that, Usenet, etc etc.  The idea behind the Internet itself was to be able to send and share data with people all over the world.

If anything, YouTube is no more than the VCR.  But unlike the VCR, you can share vidoes with people all around the world near instantaneously.Again, it's convenience.   The creators of YouTube took the idea of sharing videos, and made a simple, easy way to do it.  But they weren't the first ones to do it/ think up the idea.

A product is never revolutionary, it's the idea behind the product that is.  YouTube is a product of the idea that there should be a way to massively share videos with people all over the world.  But that idea has been around long before YouTube.

I agree with you neko, so cars are not revolutionary because the idea of the wheel was thought up well in advance.

Ideas always exist my friend....

It's people who take them and use them properly who win.

Ask.com fails
yahoo.com search fails
and msn.com search fails.

Google wins, Google being bigger than Disney and Time warner put together.

The idea was there, but they sucked at it.
Google revolutionized it, and NO ONE can say google was not part of a revolution in the way we live.

You have it all wrong Neko, your analogies lack coherence.
Youtube, was the first, is the first, and has always been the first, to do what it does.

Call it what you like, there has been nothing before it, that slightly looked at it.
Even if the interent, in essence did it, Youtube was a whole other system, a community, it was marvelous.

You will not deny youtube it's much deserved credit Neko, it is worth more than any of us may be in our whole lives. 1.6 billion.

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Re: Youtube Named Times Person of the Year 2006
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2006, 07:54:25 am »
I don't get what the big deal is :P

It's just a place to share videos. Fun fun fun. I don't think I'm going to marvel at it though.
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2006, 08:27:04 am »
Youtube, was the first, is the first, and has always been the first, to do what it does.


Let's say you do something new.  I then do it while wearing a funny hat.  I was the first to do what I just did, given that what I did was slightly different than what you did and therefore not the same thing.  By your logic, that is.
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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2006, 09:17:11 am »
Youtube, was the first, is the first, and has always been the first, to do what it does.


Let's say you do something new.  I then do it while wearing a funny hat.  I was the first to do what I just did, given that what I did was slightly different than what you did and therefore not the same thing.  By your logic, that is.

Youtube is not slightly different than ANYTHING.

Name something that "without a hat" is youtube...

Your analogy is flawed, nothing has come near this.

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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2006, 09:22:45 am »
Youtube is not slightly different than ANYTHING.

Name something that "without a hat" is youtube...

Your analogy is flawed, nothing has come near this.

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Blogs?  Napster?  Private at home websites?  Usenet?
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2006, 03:23:00 pm »
Yeah well That is all very fine and good but let me know where I can get copies of this bands albums. I saw nothing on that site that would let me. I suppose I could listen to them if they didn't use crappy flash which is not well supported in linux.


Just go to one of their shows and ask them in person.

I am not certain but I don't think they have had one in more than 20 years. They broke up in the eighties and haven't had an album since. They are one of those bands that are not commercial enough for the cartel to re-issue their albums.  I might be able to buy an album off ebay, I see some listed but I don't have a stereo, much less a turntable so it would not do me much good.

Just goes to show that the cartel is limiting what culture I have access to. To my way of thinking the record company which holds the rights to this material has forfeited them by not making it continuously available. Legally, of course, that is not so.

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Re: Youtube Named Times Person of the Year 2006
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2006, 04:46:36 pm »
I would like to point out to you the website www.sellaband.com, where the rights of a band's music is not owned by a big recordcompany, but by the fans themselves. Profit of the band goes to the fans/investors and the SellaBand for a couple of years (I think 2 or 3) and after that the band gets everything. It's a great Dutch initiative ;)
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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2006, 05:02:20 pm »
That is all well and good but doesn't do anything for "legacy culture." Certainly there are more ways now than ever before to produce your own music. Copyright as it exists now is broken and the cartels are trying to make it even more repressive. I think we can all agree with that. The idea is sound but the implimentation is not.

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Re: Youtube Named Times Person of the Year 2006
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2006, 05:57:54 pm »
ThomPhoenix is correct. Time magazine only cited YouTube... along with other sites like Facebook, MySpace and Wikipedia. So it wasn't YouTube who won, it really was "You".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6187113.stm so says the BBC too.

I also think that YouTube wasn't anything revolutionary. No more than wikipedia, and I'd say less than wikipedia. Certainly it was evolution using the increasing speed available to users of the web and mainly a good business idea.

Wiki.. is more important than youtube....

Show me one person who would buy it for 1.6 billion.

Game, set, match.

No investor would feel that Wiki is better or more revolutionary than Youtube.

You don't need to buy wikipedia... Google is already integrating it with its searches freely... why would it need to buy it, just for the name? Just because someone doesn't run out and buy something doesn't mean that it's not more important than something else. Plus buying something which has entirely GPL content is dumb...

Game, set, match. ;)

I'd even go as far as saying that YouTube used the concept of Wikipedia (or any other similar system which came earlier) as the foundation of its website. Instead of allowing people to create and upload text information, they did it with videos. They certainly didn't invent anything new, only put it in a convenient form. Convenience is everything, which is why it became so popular. It's evolution, not revolution.
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Re: Youtube Named Times Person of the Year 2006
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2006, 08:21:59 pm »
Youtube epitomizes mankind: pure, unadulterated, uncensored chaos. There's so much crap to drudge through to find something decent it completely defeats the purpose. It's like the freaky colonel guy said: It hampers evolution, not enhance it. How can we evolve to a higher form of life when a fat kid dancing around his room with a lightsabre is what we find entertaining?