[Guild] The Klyros Alliance [Klyros Only]

[Mesun]

The Klyros Alliance

The Klyros Guild.....let your dreams and Imagination take you were u want to go.....

I am Mesun, and i wish to make a guild, a guild that is only open to Klyros. I need 5 Klyros to complete this.
pls contact me with /tell and we will go into a group and then when we raise the money we will make the guild!
I have set up a forum www.the-klyros-alliance.tk or contact me on the-klyros-alliance@hotmail.co.uk

If you would like to join this soon-to-be-dominant Guild pls contact, i am online in the PS world all the time 

[ Moving text removed. --Karyuu ]

[neko kyouran]

Hi, mind elaborating a bit on why anyone would want to join such a guild?  And if you haven't already, please read over the guild posting guidlines in this forum section.  It's stickied right at the tope for easy finding.  You seem to be mising some key points to your guild post. 

Oh and as a suggestion, I think a better moto would be:  The Klyros Guild.....let your dreams and Imagination take flight...

but then you might take a little flack from people thatsay that they can't fly, but my response would be gliding is a form of flight none the less. 

[bilbous]

Woohoo someone wants to recreate the Klyros of Fury! I got a member around here somewhere.

Where is Constipated umm Constrabus Gegami when you need him?

[Parallo]

I don't think theres much point in posting here since he hasn't come back yet but I will anyway. Guild forums are too dead these days I think.

Is it just any five random Kylros? Are you united by anything other than race? A certain political view prehaps? Or maybe Kylros of a certain trade? Right now it just seems like a guild for the sake of a guild.

[Garile]

hmm indeed what is the reason you feel Klyros need a guild of their own?

[mektar]

There are dwarf, Enkidukai and fenki guilds so why not a klyros guild?

[Parallo]

Aye, one could say the same about the Way of The Hammer. Although in the beginning they were to promote the better treatment of Dwarves it has become, as far as I can tell, more of an OOC group of friends loosly joined by the old ideals. Apis and Proglin leaving it made it more like this.

There is reason for the Enki guilds though.

Edited to add: and what is up with the guild Hells Dwarves?

[Seytra]

Needless to say I still think race-based guilds are not a good idea, to phrase it excessively nicely.

Aye, one could say the same about the Way of The Hammer. Although in the beginning they were to promote the better treatment of Dwarves

I don't even know where the basis for this would be. Dwarves being mistreated? There's no indication of this in the settings. Nor did I see anything like that ingame, save Dwarvensbane, which is just as good an idea as race-based guilds. Or is it dwarves trying to get an advantage over all other races?

There is reason for the Enki guilds though.

Maybe the FL, but solely for it's resemblance of a pack (and even a pack can be expected to accept other races at least under specific circumstances, just like tribes, especially given the interbreeding ability of all but Kran), though "being fond of the FL concept" is certainly not a good description of my feelings. Be it as it may, that's about it, and I can't even express how not good an idea I find the Felicious Fenkis.

IMNSHO, the entire idea of race-only guilds is severe lack of imagination and the attempt to separate for separation's sake, completely defying not only the setting's general idea of Yliakum as a melting pot, but also that of majorly cross-race marriages.
Not even talking about what a "guild" is and what it's not.

[Parallo]

Well the Way of The Hammer did seem to resemble a sort of socity. Like the ones present in our own lives to preserve different cultures and traditions. This seems to serve no such purpose. I forgot about FF though. I don't even know any thing about it.

[Garile]

Felicitous Fenkies. Well don't hear that much of them I have to admit but I did talk with their members a few times when I was without a guild. The reason they stated they wanted to make a fenki guild was becuase of the fenki opression.

Have to admit that fenkies are fun to play but they are just like dwarves pushed rather quickly into a box of how they are supposed to act. Cat and female combination seems to have that effect I suppose.

Also along the time of their creation I also remember several incidents where fenkies complained about even being unwanted sexually approached. Don't know how far this affected their creation but it would probably have had an effect in people joining that guild atleast.

Add to that the pack mentallity the setting says enkies have and you could have a group.

But sure someone who is a member of that guild could tell more then me

Not even talking about what a "guild" is and what it's not.

It's a guild system and the term "guild" is the OOC chosen term. It could just as well been a clan or an alliance or organization. PSguilds don't have to have any similarities with the limitations of RL guilds. That is pushing it in a box it was never intended to be in.

[Seytra]

Felicitous Fenkies. Well don't hear that much of them I have to admit but I did talk with their members a few times when I was without a guild. The reason they stated they wanted to make a fenki guild was becuase of the fenki opression.

Have to admit that fenkies are fun to play but they are just like dwarves pushed rather quickly into a box of how they are supposed to act. Cat and female combination seems to have that effect I suppose.

No surprise there. Not at all, looking at the way most female Enkidukai are played. Proves that one must be very careful when doing things, as it may set a bad example. I don't know of the exact complaints you had, but FAIK Enkidukai are supposed to be RP'd similar to that, just as dwarves are.
Additionally, the race descriptions of Enkidukai and dwarves suggest this, at least to a certain degree. Dwarves a lot more explicit than Enkidukai.

If you don't like the way the races are set to be, then I fear that you can't try to fix this IC-ly, as it's an OOC issue. Therefore, there still is no justification for these guilds.

Edit:
Also, all other races also are supposed to be played a certain way. It's just that few seem to bother, especially Klyros players. IOW, I think the notion of an "oppression" is "not well founded", to keep with the excessively nice phrasing, even though it's starting to hurt.
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Also along the time of their creation I also remember several incidents where fenkies complained about even being unwanted sexually approached. Don't know how far this affected their creation but it would probably have had an effect in people joining that guild atleast.

I'm not aware of this, but I think that it was more a problem of certain playrs harassing others than anything else, i.e., OOC. I've witnessed this sort of thing before, yet I've never even thought of creating a guild in response to the OOC troublemakers (who were banned pretty quickly; GMs don't take well to that sort of thing, and rightfully so).

Add to that the pack mentallity the setting says enkies have and you could have a group.

No, you can't. Not a group of only females, anyway. No pack consists of females only, for obvious reasons. I suppose what you're saying is they are an attempt at "Anonymous Alcoholics" for players who like the model but not the background. I still think it's "not a good idea", regardless of how you look at it. Same for using the term "fenki" ingame.

But sure someone who is a member of that guild could tell more then me

I'm not so sure, actually, but we'll likely never find out.

It's a guild system and the term "guild" is the OOC chosen term. It could just as well been a clan or an alliance or organization. PSguilds don't have to have any similarities with the limitations of RL guilds. That is pushing it in a box it was never intended to be in.

Im pretty sure that it is supposed to be at least similar to RL guilds. Definitely more than just a bunch of friends. If it weren't, it wouldn't require a name, nor display a label. Yes, it will have to be bent a bit ATM, but no, groups of friends still just don't cut it.

[Zan]

Problem is groups of friends do cut it.

You only need 5 people and a handful of tria to form a guild. Sure if you lack in the background story and purpose of your guild people in the forums will frown at you but seeing that over half of the in-game guilds never even bother popping up on here, that won't make much of a difference.

The fact is that the majority of players is looking for a guild to have friends or to have a quick shortcut through the game and get items, learn tricks from guildmembers, etc. Because of this, guilds with simple appeals (like racial requirement or mercenaries) or those who take advantage of 'bribing' members into their guild by offering tria, items or information will always have an advantage. And the guilds that get created with a great deal of thought and effort end up slowly bleeding to death due to a high recruiting requirement.

/sarcasm

All we need are a diaboli, nolthrir, ylian, xachan, ynnwn, lemur and kran guild and Planeshift needs no more guilds. Lets stuff every race into a guild and have a huge racial war until one race wins!

Then nobody is allowed to create another race character anymore since they'll all be exterminated! Who's with me?!

/end sarcasm

[Garile]

Im pretty sure that it is supposed to be at least similar to RL guilds. Definitely more than just a bunch of friends. If it weren't, it wouldn't require a name, nor display a label. Yes, it will have to be bent a bit ATM, but no, groups of friends still just don't cut it.

Ofcourse not. RL guilds were a group of people who shared an economical interest. Normally by having the same proffesion and bandin together to make sure they weren't exploited.

IN PS guilds range from mercenary groups to refugees of a lost city to an order of priests. A common goal is about the only factor that really counts.

Now don't get me wrong if you ready my first post this kind of guild definately doesn't get my five stars nor the Felicitous Fenkies although I know and like some of their members.

Becoming more and more pro-roleplaying and personally I feel any guild that doesn't have an RP purpose and background story within a month of creation fitting in the setting should be disbanded. Even go as far as to think we should just scrap the 20.000 tria and five members and ask for the story and purpose before hand. Shouldn't be to strict wwith it, but atleast would need a better reason then "we the klyros will rule".

[zhai]

I don't see race based guilds as something to dismiss. Communities of immigrants are formed everywhere with the aim to help each other and keep in touch with a culture they left behind. Why should this not happen in Yliakum as well given the fact that, with the exception of Lemurs and Kran, all races are outsiders?

True. If you say "Klyros only" and that's it, sounds like you just want to have a guild and went along with your first idea. Many players who wish to form a guild try to do it by extending their character's personality instead of finding a real purpose. This approach results limiting for other characters if the characteristic that is being "extended" as the guild objective is too specific or turn out to be too ambiguous if the purpose is too vague. A racial segmentation can easily fall into this category. However, the Felicitous Fenkis do not. They have provided a good background story and, I've always seen them RP their way in Yliakum consistently.

[zorbels]

Maybe the FL, but solely for it's resemblance of a pack (and even a pack can be expected to accept other races at least under specific circumstances, just like tribes, especially given the interbreeding ability of all but Kran), though "being fond of the FL concept" is certainly not a good description of my feelings. Be it as it may, that's about it, and I can't even express how not good an idea I find the Felicious Fenkis.

In settings it is discribed that Enki's will travel in packs and that one male will lead a pack full of females. As far as I know the Felines Lair was not lead by one male menki who is the strongest, and in fact had many male menki's in the guild as well as females. The Felicious Fenkis are pretty close to following the settings except they are in the settings eyes without a male pack leader.

Psychology
The Enkidukai race maintains its wild nature. They live in packs controlled by the male who is strongest and most skilful in combat. Each pack has a typical and easily recognizable look, mostly because of their habit in cutting or coloring fur in ritual or traditional ways. Enkidukai are always suspicious of strangers at the beginning, but once you gain their trust, they become faithful companions.

Personally I don't mind the variety of different sorts of guilds. One race guilds were bound to happen and I really don't see an issue with it. Personal opinions aside, there is not a rule that states we cannot have a guild made up of members who resemble one race.