Planeshift Impressions

[Datruth]

Noob friendliness: You guys have failed, absolutely failed at making the game inviting to newcomers. Trying to find someone to buy rat loot is a huge exercise in frustration, heck, even finding the sewers is harder than it should be. Relying on experienced players to help the newbies is, to put it bluntly, a really cheap-ass thing to do, and is a drop dead stupid design decision, if thats what it is. When newcomers join, you should make sure that they can easily reach the sewers, and that there is someone nearby, as in right outside the sewers, to sell loot to.

This is the chief objective of Elemental light.

We've actually grown alot just because of this, we help our own, and we help others.

I'd like to have those people, who said there are too many guilds that help out, to answer to hurleybird.
Clearly he didn't get the help he needed.

Now we can't be expected to, help all new players because there are soo many of them.

BUT i'd like to point out, THERE ARE NOT enough of us, and i don't like people saying such and such guild is useless because they are good, and they help new players, "cookie cutter" existance as you put it.

The only people who really do it well, and on a huge basis, is Elemental light, we need more help.
This part of his post should show that we're not helping new players out enough, and those that do, GET RIDICULED for it.

Ohh, that's a non RP guild there, they just help newbs, forget them. We get too much disrespect.
While HEAVILY RP guilds, or those who "claim to be" seem to get all the fame.

THAT'S THE MENTALITY we face Bird, That's why alot of new players don't get help.
I'm sorry, for that.

But Elemental light will continue to do what it does best, and if you need any help at all, See ANY EL member in game, they will assist you.
There are plenty of us so we're not hard to find.

~~Datruth

[Karyuu]

I think you've missed the fact that he didn't mention his asking for help not being successful. He just said that he wants convenient NPCs from the start and to not have to go through other players for aid.

[Parallo]

This is the chief objective of Elemental light.

We've actually grown alot just because of this, we help our own, and we help others.

I'd like to have those people, who said there are too many guilds that help out, to answer to hurleybird.
Clearly he didn't get the help he needed.

Now we can't be expected to, help all new players because there are soo many of them.

BUT i'd like to point out, THERE ARE NOT enough of us, and i don't like people saying such and such guild is useless because they are good, and they help new players, "cookie cutter" existance as you put it.

The only people who really do it well, and on a huge basis, is Elemental light, we need more help.
This part of his post should show that we're not helping new players out enough, and those that do, GET RIDICULED for it.

Ohh, that's a non RP guild there, they just help newbs, forget them. We get too much disrespect.
While HEAVILY RP guilds, or those who "claim to be" seem to get all the fame.

THAT'S THE MENTALITY we face Bird, That's why alot of new players don't get help.
I'm sorry, for that.

But Elemental light will continue to do what it does best, and if you need any help at all, See ANY EL member in game, they will assist you.
There are plenty of us so we're not hard to find.

~~Datruth

The members I've seen from Elemental Light (There are lots!) have all been the ones asking the questions. Asides from meeting Idoru once and one guy that was chatting OOC without brackets they have all been on the wrong side of your Helpful experienced one to new player relationship.

[Nikodemus]

@Hurleybird:  In response to your first post, there is a reason for the mouselook to be so slow.  People where using it to jump corners in weird ways in order to jump to platforms they weren't supposed to be able to get to.

I have to comment it x)
If it is the case why mouselook is so cumbersome and in effect people don't use it, then there is something wery wrong. I been telling since ever that any game including especially PS should try to reflect this how you can move in real. In PS you have to turn to move in a direction. In real you turn almost momentaly, or turn while moving in that direction. You can use your hands to grab some static object and get into places you wouldn't by simple PS going forward-turn-forward-turn.
Mouslook+keys reflect the RL movement better than only keys. While it is not perfect it is better. And breaking it, because you could get into places lke the warehouse exit from laanx dungeon and treat it as entrance, isn't good. That wall which was put there, is actually no obstacle at all if it were in RL.

[Idoru]

The members I've seen from Elemental Light (There are lots!) have all been the ones asking the questions. Asides from meeting Idoru once and one guy that was chatting OOC without brackets they have all been on the wrong side of your Helpful experienced one to new player relationship.

To be entirely honest that does bother me. The one problem that we do have is at certain times of the day it seems that we have some new members and not so many of the experienced players. Possibly its just the times that you happen to log in. One thing that does cause issues in the Elemental Light is that some of our players seem to get embarassed about asking simple or 'stupid' questions in Guild Chat because for some reason they seem to think it will reflect badly on them.

I personally try as best I can to use [] when OOC, unless of course I am pretty sure no one else is around who is not involved. But it has to be said that everyone forgets it from time to time.

I am sorry that you have gained a negative image of Elemental Light. 

[Parallo]

Oh no, no. I have a negative image of the members I have met. Besides this is not the place for discussing this... Plus if I say one more bad thing about you guys Datruth migh go mental again

[Jackdaw]

Leaving the discussion of guilds to the guild forumns.

I was once a newbie. At first I was frustrated exactly the same. This isn't like all those other games that start you with basic equipment and easy tasks. But there is a reason I am not still playing those games. They got boring!!!

Because the game "forced" me to ask for help I met a lot of good friends and learned a lot about rp.

The noobs I run across and help are of 2 types. One who just wants to know where to find the superweapon right away who you never see again, and those who ask for guidance and then take it from there. I see them later and they greet me, some have become friends and some guildmates.

In the long run, what is better for the game?

[Parallo]

I couldn't agree more. There is however another type of noob. I didn't talk to anyone for weeks and weeks. I learned alot by watching and listening and of course here on the forums.

[Ishtar2]

I couldn't agree more. There is however another type of noob. I didn't talk to anyone for weeks and weeks. I learned alot by watching and listening and of course here on the forums.

That's more my story.  But it fits in with my character.

[Datruth]

Oh no, no. I have a negative image of the members I have met. Besides this is not the place for discussing this... Plus if I say one more bad thing about you guys Datruth migh go mental again

Basically, you wrote you met, on the most part, alot of members speaking ooc in main chat.
If that is true, i'd like you to list a couple.

I mean if we have soo many members, it won't be hard for you to list atleast 10 of them.
That's not the case, and i can assure you Parallo doesn't know the vast majority of Elemental light.

[Edit] flamatrory remarks removed. At least they were in my opinion[/Edit]

~~Datruth

[Keep your personal opinions of what you think of others to your self. Also, as it as been said, discussion of your guilds members are not for this thread.  Take it to PMs or the guild forum section.  Any further posts about that from anyone will deleted. --Neko]


Thank you for your suggestions, they were taken into consideration, now go back to doing what you do so well. ~~Datruth

[zanzibar]

If players have taken it upon themselves to fill in the gaps, that's nice.  But the gaps are still there.

[Hurleybird]

If players have taken it upon themselves to fill in the gaps, that's nice.  But the gaps are still there.

Absolutely true. Players can't always be relied on to fill the gaps either, as sometimes the helpful players won't be there. In other news, after selling lots of rats eyes and tails I bought a broadsword, and my attack went way up. It would have been nice as well as realistic if I were given a sword off the bat given the history of my character though.

[Peacer]

I don't actually know if it's intended with the slow horisontal mouse sensitivity, but it was generally faster in linux till 0.17 ... now it's more like if you turn the mouse slow he will move slow, if you turn it a little faster, the character will not turn that fast compared to what you first did. Try it out. Move the mouse slow and speed it up maybe you'll see what I mean... I'm on linux though so I don't know if this works on windows.
I can also add that I didn't have to turn my mouse pretty much in 0.16, My mouse sensitivity were... 20 if I remember correctly. Now it's 100(max.) It's something I miss actually.

@hurleybird: there's nothing wrong in asking for help, the players who know what to do already will gladly help you ... and there is a little player guide here that you might find useful. It also tells where to find the sewers .
And in the newbie forums there should be help to get too, there's a childboard with guides to various things (for example roleplaying) which I think you might find interesting too. they are located here

I will be glad to help you further, contact me in game(/tell Peacer message) or here in a pm (you need 10 posts to send one.) If you need any help.
Oh, and welcome to planeshift, may your path be safe.

Nice first topic btw .

[Jeraphon]

If I can add my two cents on the matter (take it for what you will,) the majority of the people start in Hydlaa, right next to the smithy. People who already have experience with the game who are at the smithy are using the equipment and flexing their job skills with the "System" tab open in their text window, cheerfully ignoring the flashing "Main" tab of someone who might be asking questions.

Those who aren't flexing their job skills and who are hanging out at the smithy are usually newbies or people who have questions. They go to the smithy because they don't know of anywhere else where people congregate. (One of the problems with a large 3D city is that while it looks great, people will only be where you can actually do things, and unless they're bored won't ever really look at it. This will, I assume, be fixed later when people can purchase real estate and set up shops, guilds or - please please please - crafting areas.)

Thus, it's only on an off chance that someone will not only click on that "Main" tab, see your question in a timely manner, but be both knowledgeable and helpful enough to answer it. This takes a while. True, eventually someone will answer your question but not before you get really frustrated at being ignored when you ask at the forge, at the table, at the stock casing...not the fault of those people working, really. Just a statement of what I've observed. These "busy" PCs are perceived as being newbie-unfriendly (and I think hurleybird does have a point, even if he could include more constructiveness in his criticism.)

How to fix? Don't start people off right by the smithy. It's too tough to find the sewers and get people started? Place people closer to the sewers. Want to create more "friendly" interaction? Start people off right in front of the tavern or right by the plaza fountain until they get used to it as "the place to be." The wide open fountain space is SCREAMING for people to stand around there and interact. The tavern is a great spot for RPing. In short, there are a lot better places for a person to start the game than a place where experienced people are busy. When I first started there was a helpful guild that would always hang out in front of the temple. I thought it was a wonderful idea - it clears up the clutter from the smithy and establishes a place that's not only safe to ask questions but that makes sense in an IC context. Don't see them anymore. Pity.

Whew! And that's what I have to say about that.

[Parallo]

Different races spawn in different areas. Ylians already spwan in front of the tavern.