what about the Hell?

[Finira]

Perhaps you all have been playing too long to remember or you haven't had the thought after all ... but when I landed in DR for the first time I didn't know it was called Death Realm, and my first thought (quite naturally I think) was: oh. I'm in hell. No characteristics of "real world hell" (not that there is such a thing)? Oh, please.

Oh, and I think lots of red and black indicate warm (if not hot), not cold.

Or maybe I'm just different. I can live with that.

*shrugs*

- Finira -

[Parallo]

Well my first thought when I saw the Ylian was that he is a Homo Sapien. Does that mean its IC to call them that?

[Robinmagus]

RPNRP for the win!!!!

[emeraldfool]

They are ruining their own RP and noone elses. Naming it something that is in RL and not in PS is making any RP rhat that is involved in invalid.

Ah screw being 'valid'. If you're having the most fun you've ever had in an RP, and you find out a few months ago one of the characters who used to be involved in the RP accidentally used the world 'Hell' instead of 'Death Realm', would you really put everyone else involved in the RP on your ignore list and pretend it never happened?

Or worse yet, would you report an RP that other people were having a lot of fun in to a GM, for the same stupid reason?



If your answer is yes, then I'm afraid you're on the verge of being mentally unstable. Games are about having fun by temporarily forgetting reality. One trying hard to maintain and preserve their 'virtual reality' at the expense of their own enjoyment is a classic symptom of Dissociative Reality Syndrome (or something like that), and is usually caused by a patient being traumatised or disenchanted with his/her life to the point where he/she is trying to escape it via entertainment, either from an external or internal source. (Kinda like those cheesy episodes they always have where the main character wakes up to find that everything that happened in the series up to that point was in their head. Except realer, and sadder...)


(P.S. Sorry for the psychobabble. And that wasn't exclusively directed at Parallo. He seems pretty down-to-earth really )

[Parallo]

That could be true were it not for the fact that the only reason I speak of valid role plays is that I enjoy them. So I'm striving for my own enjoyment and not the expence of one. And I don't mean used the word instead of the death realm. There are numerous things that can make an rp invalid. Check out the post I made on Monism and Duelism. It has an example of a terribly invalid rp.

[Sangwa]

Hum, I'm sure Parallo wouldn't mind roleplaying with a person who once said Hell. Obviously, he'd stop doing so if that person said it came from Hell. Why can't they be the Death Realm's Dwarves? Or better: Death's Dwarves or Dwarves of Doom. Those names are as silly as Hells Dwarves. Maybe even a bit less.

Would diabolis perceive the Death Realm as a Hell? Their homeland is a real hell. I bet Death Realm is nothing to them... besides extremely boring and dark.

"Or worse yet, would you report an RP that other people were having a lot of fun in to a GM, for the same stupid reason?"

Reporting is no crime. I would do it if I really felt that way. And if the GM agreed, it was his fault the fun ended, not mine for being a conscious player and doing what is right.
Nothing to do with any mental disability, as you can see.
And you're right somewhere. It is a game. And games have rules, to ensure everyone makes the best of it. I have lots of fun playing games as they are. I don't make up rules when I'm playing cards, even if it would benefit me and probably make me laugh. Why? Because my partners would frown at me, since they wouldn't find it as funny.
Doesn't mean I don't do it occasionally, when I'm feeling goofy.

And a late thank you for Nikodemus, for the nice compliment.

[Akaye]

Perhaps you all have been playing too long to remember or you haven't had the thought after all ... but when I landed in DR for the first time I didn't know it was called Death Realm, and my first thought (quite naturally I think) was: oh. I'm in hell.

First thing I remember is "Oh, I am on level one, underground."

I never thought of the DR as hell. I didn't know what to think of the DR. Newbies learn from the other players eventually. If we are referring to the DR as hell so will the newbies. So if we start referring to it correctly "The Death Realm" then we are repsecting the settings the Dev's made and teaching the newbies the correct language in the game.

[emeraldfool]

We aren't talking about creating your own completely different rules and playing by them, we're just talking about using an ambigious word to describe something, which may be perceived by players to be OOC.

They are ruining their own RP and noone elses. Naming it something that is in RL and not in PS is making any RP rhat that is involved in invalid.

If that simple mistake 'invalidates' an RP, then it seems the rules are far too constrictive to foster an atmosphere of creative, dynamic and original RPers. Instead, you have a bunch of bland, cookie-cutter story-arcs and characters because people are too afraid to lose all their work by 'invalidating' it.

I'm guessing if we can't let slip a few 'Hell's instead of 'Death Realm', then maybe we can't call someone "Sadistic", seeing as how Marquis de Sade (the origininator of the word, who was a French psychopathic philosopher) never existed in Planeshift. That would constitute as 'invalidating' an RP, no? It's the same exact principal. So where does it end?

[Nikodemus]

in previous post i wanted to make hell same as DR. I see it is also no way out.
Would it be ok if hell would be just synonyme of hot place (like inside a burning building ?) and Heaven as a place of infinitive pleasure, where we feel amaizing like nowehre else?
No religious meanings, no home of devil/god, only words which could have originaten the same way as word butter for example (noone knows why butter is called butter)
Since we can't avoid using these words, we need to put them somehow IClly. Agreed?

[bilbous]

I don't think it is hard to avoid them, I can't remember ever using either of them ever in game.

[emeraldfool]

I don't think it is hard to avoid them, I can't remember ever using either of them ever in game.

Ever call someone a sadist in-game? Maybe I should start a big thread about that too...

[Parallo]

We can't just off everything but in my opinion using hell is the same as using Middle Earth. If we took the approach of cutting out words with origins we'll have none left. Its idiotic to even suggest that.

[emeraldfool]

We can't just off everything but in my opinion using hell is the same as using Middle Earth. If we took the approach of cutting out words with origins we'll have none left. Its idiotic to even suggest that.

My point exactly. Except that Hell has as much or as little origins as any other word. Once upon a time there was a viking dude who invented 'Hel', the lower plane, then some Christian dude stole the word and made it the Devil's domain. Same as sadism - Marquis de Sade came along, wrote some incredibly sick and evil books, and from then on people would say "that's so horrible it's like Sade!" or simply "that's sadistic!"

Where's the difference? If we remove Hell, we should logically remove 90% of the English language.

[Parallo]

No, because outside of the Bible and religion there is no hell. Outside of The Hobbit and Middle Earth there is no Hobbiton. Should we allow that too?

[Akaye]

I still don't know why it is so hard to refer to the "death realm" as the death realm. Calling it hell shouldn't even be an issue. It is the death realm. To call it hell is incorrect no matter how much you argue it.