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[ORGANIZATION] Black Sun Union Promotional Poster
« on: January 02, 2007, 06:00:00 am »
[ Note: Below this post are the rules(Not part of the IC Poster, but OOC Rules and some IC special features - IC Laws will be given in game) the History of the previously called Republican Movement is at the "Informational Handbook". Also I will post more information about its "guilds" as soon as possible, the Legion already is there  ]

Black Sun Progressist Union

Progress in Liberty, Education, Culture and Science

     The Black Sun Progressist Union is the groupment of several autonomous organizations dedicated to several different fields of activity under the same banner of bringing progress in all its forms, while defending liberty.

The Basic Constitutional Rule, dedicated to Freedom:

  • Article VI, A: Freedom in all its forms(except for "freedom" to oppress and destroy other ones and other ones' properties) is a permanent right for all members(that also are rulers) of the Black Sun Progressist Union, regardless of circumstances.

     The motto "Freedom, Science, and Progress" resumes the main eternal goals of the Black Sun Union.

     There is no point when one should think that "there is nothing better than this!" as there is always room for improvement, the Black Sun Union will progress in all fields, from all forms of power to social welfare of its members, and not even reaching the most distant lands and establishing the nation of progress, the Eljar Republic, will make us settle down. While our power grows, the freedom will shine more and more brighter through Education and Culture and scientifical breakthroughs will be done through Research ensuring that the future will be better for all.


     Using a reversed hierarchy(Where the foundation can block the decisions of the elected representatives and take direct actions), the Movement has no kind of authoritarism inside its ranks, where all relationships of leadership are based on trust and charisma(As all the leaders are also elected and must be accepted by the ones he "leads") instead of the already mentioned despotic forms of hierarchy and "leadership". We have a strong financial, ideological and structural foundation, where the main ruling branch, the Core of the Black Sun influences through the direct rule of members(usually from the Political Wing) and through indirect representation the Black Core itself the highly autonomous Legion of the Black Sun, Novari Institute of Scientifical Progress, Sunlight Society for Educational Growth, Treman School of Artistical Freedom and Black Watch Counter Intelligence Directorate.

     Also the Black Core is where the political and economic activities of the whole Union are realized. Those are controlled respectively by:

Political Wing

     The political wing focuses the ruling power, public promotion and political activities of the organization that is formed by different fields of specialization and also contains generalist positions. The fields of it are: General, Administrative, Diplomatic, Justice and Lawmaking, and lastly but not least important, Public Relations.

Economic Wing

     The Economic Wing is the financial backbone of the organization and the main promoter of its economic ideologies based on cooperative, ruled by everyone workplaces and on individual enterpreunership and artisan creativity, having the goal of promoting on the free flow of creative ideas on the market and of funding promissing and innovative areas of business. It is also divided into fields of activity, plus the associate freelance merchants, artisans and enterpreneurs, these fields are: Credits, responsible for fiscalizing the organization against scams and for deciding how, when and where funds should be invested; Management, responsible for its administration; Production for developing and "manufacturing" goods and services and Trade and Logistics for planning and organizing sales, commercial routes, distribution and stockpiling. The Economic Wing also can elect their exclusive representative, the Managerial President

     The only form of standard "hierarchy" that exists, is individual, not collective based, a measurement of the degree of freedom, independence, personal evolution and identity that each one has. It is divided into six degrees, from the very dependent and conformist Servants to the highly evolved, capable, individualistic and laws-independent Self Rulers(No one yet had the honor of being classified as one). Such degrees are based into two things: the opinion of most about the individual and self-criticism(And any excessive pride that blocks self-criticism obviously blocks any chance of being honored with such titles).

     As already mentioned, it works in both direct rule from its members through consensus or voting of majority and in indirect representation of the President and other "superiors". Also important to note is that voting is a right, not a duty and no one is obbliged to participate into the sessions of decision-making in the rooms of the organizations or in the Core Hall. Also if any member abuses from his power, he may be dismissed by voting.

     Now a brief description of the organizations that form the Union:

Sunlight Society: Its members struggle to bring the free flow of knowledge and conscience to the people. It educates them to freedom.

Treman School: Bringers of true culture to the people and teachers of artistical skills to those with potential, this Artistical School supports all forms of art, specially innovative ones.

Novari Institute: All fields of science are unveiled by this institution that struggles to lead all to new ages of development.

Black Watch: It is impossible to avoid completely unsavory types and curious onlookers and eavesdroppers from joining in. That is where the Black Watch Counter Intelligence Directorate enters, to break the covers and masks of those. No one except the Seer use insignias.

The Legion(Also known as the Black Militia): While most military forces exist to defend or take over territories, resources and wealth among other materialistic interests, the Black Militia defend an ideal and a right, fighting in defense of freedom when necessary. All members, except for reserves, have minimum tactical knowledge and not always need the support of Commanders and Tactical Officers.

Note: After an idea for changing the name and the policy of the organizations was approved, the old names became outdated, and the secondary requirement of supporting politically the idea of freedom or of activism for it is not as important for the scientifical, educational and cultural parts of the Union.

If you wish to know if you are suitable for joining in, read our Informational Handbook that is being distributed around Hydlaa and soon in Ojaveda as well and visit our Public Relations Office. If you find yourself suitable, you will not regret if you decide to apply for membership
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Link to the history behind the idea of Eljar Republic
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2007, 06:02:48 am »
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OOC Rules and Additional Facts
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2007, 06:04:22 am »
OOC Rules

The Black Sun Union is strongly based on the concept of Roleplaying, and as such if your character is willing to join as a member you should:

    1) Know about Planeshift SettingsRoleplaying and have a decently developed character

    2) Be aware that The Black Sun Union is definitively very roleplay oriented and many of the actions done by members(entering in the buildings, making sessions to decide things, etc.) will be fully based on roleplay as they are impossible to be done through the current game engine.

    3) Remember to avoid using the word "guild" In-Character as the Black Sun Union is not a guild, but an organization.

    4) Accept fully the consequences of Roleplaying an "evil" character on a harsh laws system against such. Remember, if your character is caught(In a RP obviously) taking some funds of the organization to him or, snooping around as a spy, he will be immediately hunted and executed(May change to "turned over to authorities" if necessary to adapt to the Settings)

    5) If your character seems to be fitting, it will sooner or later meet some of the members that also are involved into finding new members, and it will be roleplayed something before you are recruited... Mass-recruitment is a bane for RP-based organizations.

    6) Also if you join in, you must not spread IC secrets about the Black Sun Union OOCly as it consists in a *spoiler* and will take down the fun from surprises, and taint roleplay as well(Playing dumb is a challenge for many people). Also this is considered as the same as provoking a flame war in the forums, and will be answered properly.
 
[Back to IC:] Exclusive and Non Exclusive membership and Multi-assignments

     If you are already a member of another organization that does not oppose to civil liberties, and if you sympathize with the Black Sun Union but are not willing to leave your current organization, do not worry. We are not very restrictive and allow you to join our organization as well as an non exclusive member. In this case you either become a primary non exclusive member, that dedicates most of your time to the Black Sun Union, or a secondary member, that focus more into the other organization you belong to.

    Also if you think you are capable enough to do so, you may be assigned to multiple positions inside the same or in different of our united organizations. Before asking to apply for such thing, note that as you chose to work in more positions, your responsabilities grow equally so you should only apply for it if you are sure you can handle it.


    Those that became notorious on their struggle receive honorary gifts of two types. First Gifts are for peaceful accomplishments, and they are trophies. Second Gifts that are for military accomplishments, and they are medals for individual honor, or monuments for collective honors.
    Also we use no kind of uniform, as we believe in that individuality should be enhanced and that such things detract from the path to become a Self Ruler. But many of us wear insignias, the only official indentification, or clothes that match the colors of our flag.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2007, 08:03:41 am »
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4.3.1 Forceful Obedience: To obblige someone to obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy through the use of violence, intimidation and other forms of abuse. Punishable by ostracism.

Isn't this kind of self contradictory? How can you have a law that outlaws laws as this law seems to do? Ostracism is a form of abuse and intimidation.

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4.3.3 Mind control: To use any possible method to smash or distort the freedom of thought of someone. Punishable by death.
Are you going to kill me if I get someone drunk and jolly them into mooning the legislature?

I can see you put a lot of effort into writing this up but I don't see how this can work. However I don't understand a lot of involved things that work in spite of me so perhaps you will find people to join. Good luck!

P.S Be sure to mark your borders well so I will know when to prepare to slaughter my way out if worst comes to worst.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2007, 08:45:24 am »
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4.3.1 Forceful Obedience: To obblige someone to obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy through the use of violence, intimidation and other forms of abuse. Punishable by ostracism.

Isn't this kind of self contradictory? How can you have a law that outlaws laws as this law seems to do? Ostracism is a form of abuse and intimidation.

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4.3.3 Mind control: To use any possible method to smash or distort the freedom of thought of someone. Punishable by death.
Are you going to kill me if I get someone drunk and jolly them into mooning the legislature?

I can see you put a lot of effort into writing this up but I don't see how this can work. However I don't understand a lot of involved things that work in spite of me so perhaps you will find people to join. Good luck!

P.S Be sure to mark your borders well so I will know when to prepare to slaughter my way out if worst comes to worst.

"4.3.1 Forceful Obedience: To obblige someone to obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy through the use of violence, intimidation and other forms of abuse. Punishable by ostracism."

No one is obbliged to obey blindly the laws, as even the laws themselves are subject to being questioned by the people, and if most of the people finds it better to remove or change some of them, so it will be through a referenda. Also it says "obey blindly an structured lawful hierarchy", it means if some organization or guild inside there uses violence to force its members into obedience, it will be breaking their freedom and as such the law. And ostracism as the name says requires that most are willing to banish the one who did it, just like in Athens(But in Eljar Republic everyone has citizenship rights).

"Are you going to kill me if I get someone drunk and jolly them into mooning the legislature?"

Alcohol is not an instrument of mind control, if one was drunk and accepted the suggestion of another, he would still do it from his own will... the "possible methods" refers to magic but it is a generic word just in case new methods are developed.

"P.S Be sure to mark your borders well so I will know when to prepare to slaughter my way out if worst comes to worst."

As it said before "If your character is evil, you must be aware and accept the fact of the harsh justice against most crimes"
And this is the first "lawmaking" attempt from my part(if not the first on PS roleplaying organizations).

P.S. The only unchangeable law in Eljar is it fundamental principle of Freedom and Eljar follows the Natural Law.

Quote from: Wikipedia
"According to natural law jurisprudence, the fundamental principles of all law derive from nature and the natural world, or from a supreme being, depending on the particular perspective—but it is never the creation of human societies or governments....Whereas legal positivism would say that a law can be unjust without it being any less a law, a natural law jurisprudence would say that there is something legally deficient about an unjust law."
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2007, 09:05:50 am »
Alcohol is an instrument of mind control unless you don't consider releasing inhibitions that would otherwise remain in check a controlling effect. First you break down the subjects resistance and then you implant your suggestion. Drunk people often act in ways they would not otherwise.

I don't think you will find anyone who will say my character is evil, possibly objectionable in one way or another but not evil. I just don't fancy having to talk my way out of a jam with people I can't comprehend, even if we speak the same language. If it is a choice between me and a bunch of you, I would choose me if possible and to take as many of you with me if not.

I guess you are the "hindmost"... if you get the allusion whose origin escapes me at the moment. Something science fiction-y I am sure.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2007, 09:33:25 am »
alcohol is not mind control.  Not unless you forcibly injected someone with alchohol and convinced them to do something in their stupor.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 11:57:54 am »
I wonder, did you really read the setting?
Why there is no word about current government of Yliakum?
For example, You treat the Hydlaa like it is the only territory which is not part of The Republic of Eljar, while everything except it is. Everything has a government already.



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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 06:31:51 pm »
I wonder, did you really read the setting?
Why there is no word about current government of Yliakum?
For example, You treat the Hydlaa like it is the only territory which is not part of The Republic of Eljar, while everything except it is. Everything has a government already.


On the contrary... Eljar will be away from the safe and civilized world of Yliakum

"Everything has a government already. "

This is far-fetched to affirm, if not fully absurd. How could all lands beyond Yliakum have governments and be civilized?

I guess this is all the "support" that the community will give...
A rain of criticisms(mostly not constructive and some even not justifiable), I was expecting this.

Hydlaa is where the Embassy of Eljar exists to negotiate with Yliakum Government. One should read all the content before misjudging

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"Ministry of Diplomacy: Responsible for keeping the peace and smooth relationships with mainly the Yliakum government, and also with other nations, once the horizons expand."

And Bilbous, it is not supposed to become this kind of "democracy":

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Politically, the puppeteers have a form of democracy with two major parties: the Conservatives and the Experimentalists. The Conservatives have held power for a majority of Puppeteer history; Experimentalist regimes only take power when a crisis threatens the safety of the Puppeteer race, and action is considered less dangerous than inaction.

The leader of the Puppeteers is known as the Hindmost. Since Puppeteers are concerned with their own safety and the survival of their species foremost, the most important Puppeteer is considered to be behind every other member of the species, or protected by them. It is a shortening from the more literal the one who leads from behind.
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2007, 06:34:36 pm »
Yliakum is the entire cave with all of the different levels. As far as knowledge goes, there are no other worlds for the people living inside.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2007, 06:47:38 pm »
Yliakum is the entire cave with all of the different levels. As far as knowledge goes, there are no other worlds for the people living inside.



Leave forever Yliakum... to become a legend like Kadaikos... or to meet Doom.

Regardless of the final result, the Yliakum Republican Movement will survive
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2007, 06:56:14 pm »
No need to be so hasty, there is the virtually unknown territories of the Stone Labyrinth and beyond to justify outside empires but they will have little commerce with the known world for a long time to come.

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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2007, 07:11:10 pm »
When I first read your post I had the same concerns as Nikodemus, as in "how does this really fit into the settings?". True, you can say the land of Eljar is somewhere outside Yliakum. Other guilds have similar points (being a monarchy somewhere else and so on) but I think you would have to limit your activities to that which diplomacy would allow in a foreign nation if you wish to have a peaceful relationship with Yliakum's Government. In other words, I don't think you could claim any territory inside Yliakum as yours, unless you are an invading force determined to conquer the stalactite or a section of it.

I wouldn't give up just yet. It's obvious you put a lot of work into it. The grey areas in the settings and the absence of certain elements in-game like law enforcement, government instances, judicial systems, etc. sometimes lead us to assume they do not exist. But they do. Keyword: Beta.

Maybe with a little editing you can find a good place for your Republic within the settings. Just remember that Yliakum already has a government and it extends to all levels of the stalactite. Maybe redefining it as "Embassy of the Republic of Eljar" or "Army of the Republic of Eljar" would help.


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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2007, 07:15:45 pm »
@Bilbous Hindmost leader of the Pierson's Puppeteers from the Ringworld series by Larry Niven ;)
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Re: [ORGANIZATION] The Republic of Eljar
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2007, 07:21:38 pm »
Yes, very hasty.

I don't remember how the empire defines empire, but I don't think they mean to be a collection of countries (I could be wrong, feel free to correct).  They started out as a single guild and grew to be a multiple expanse of guilds.  You seem to be putting the cart before the horse by announcing your grand intentions before they can be realized.

I'm not sure Karyuu is totally correct by saying "... there are no other worlds .." because there are.  Just that, there is no known way back.  You need to read the additions to the settings that she posts here http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=26653.0  for additional information about the setting.

If you are going to add to the setting (the way your guild does currently), you need to have the Devs approve it.  This isn't going to happen.  If everyone that came along was able to modify the setting, there would be no coherent setting.

So you can still RP your empire, just that most characters are going to consider you "the crazy guy in Hydlaa Plaza".

Start your guild, try to convince more people to join.  Make sure they RP your guild to the fullest.  Make a name for yourself.  Eventually, if you survive, your ideas will spread and you will be taken a lot more seriously.  It's not like you're the first to come from a land outside Yliakum.  But you also need to understand that the devs have said, there is no "to/from" travel in Yliakum at this time.  (I would post a link if I could find it.  I think it was in Sept.'s Q&A.)

You've spent a lot of time working on your ideas; now you should attempt to RP them if they mean that much to you.

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