Author Topic: Tolol's pain with the Steel-Market and Economy (Read 2780 times)

Nikodemus · « **Reply #15 on:** January 03, 2007, 08:54:16 pm »

great, what about the RL reasons i meantioned about? so that a post is something more than: me thinks it should be this way because me thinks so.

LARAGORN · « **Reply #16 on:** January 03, 2007, 09:00:20 pm »

either your crack pipe is empty or you are just lookin for something to complain about.

we both are saying the system is flawed, what else are you looking for?
yes in RL refined anything is worth more.
yes the current system does not reflect RL.

Tolol · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:35:16 am »

well, this was just a try to tell that I'm not lucky with that system.

If you use those things for abusal and flaming ... I wish I hadn't written ...

Close this ...

(my first and last post)

Nikodemus · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:40:39 am »

hey, nobody is flaming x)
I was just trying to localize best solution. Maybe was trying to much, as the chance that devs do exactly as will be described are small. So maybe i was too picky about what LARAGORN said... well, i just used the thread also for an attempt to increase level of the arguments in general at this forum, but then i suppose others see it as me being again picky about stupid things. Well, I was trying, probably managd nothing... eh.

LARAGORN · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:51:13 am »

This is not the first thread on this subject and will not be the last. There is nothing wrong with voicing opinions, that is how this are improved.
I do owe Nikodemus an appology for the comment, it was unwarented and juvinile.

I apologize for the comment Nikodemus.

@ Tolol ;
Dont let my faults stop you from bringing things into the forums for discusion, that is why they are here.

Bartholin · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2007, 06:47:58 am »

well, perhapes the limiting on gold would be best, inflation of the makets is seen already...

dont reduce the cost of gold, but rather the amount open to finding. make it more limited, raise the price giving to refiened ores (will promote crafting levels ). also..
make it easyer and quicker to get coal and iron, coal should be real easy to get.. 2 ores per dig

and iron should be an ore ever other dig. gold on the other hand should be
an ore ever 5-8 digs.

thats the best i got..

-out

neko kyouran · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2007, 07:47:41 am »

Quote from: Nikodemus on January 03, 2007, 07:13:51 pm

Did you know that platinum was worth 12 tria before it was removed?

Quote from: LARAGORN on January 03, 2007, 08:38:23 pm

Before Plat was removed it was worth 640 tria per ore, thats why it was so popular and easy to get rich quick, it was removed to stop the higher prices it induced.

You're both right. Although it may have originally been 16, not 12. There was a refactoring of prices prior to the time crafting was first added which raised it to 640, but before that refactoring, it was 12, or 16. And now you make me feel old.

Tolol · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2007, 08:57:50 am »

So here I am back ... maybe I hyperventilated over that. But I really don't like abuses and such things in Forums at all.

Now back to the topic ...

I went crafting yesterday and made some steel and things ... and another example came to my mind.
If we would not only compare the mining issues. Say I can dig 10 ore in an hour and because of that mining iron isn't worth to run to mine and I go mining gold instead. This is the origin of my thoughts and the post.

BUT !

What about the time after mining ?

I went to Trasok to make some steel ... and a dagger (btw. I made a dagger with too high level 399/399 and had to sell it to an npc after talking to a gm

)

If I would also use this time to dig gold it would double the earnings once again !

Well, as said before, making money is not the intention of my playing but am I wrong with my wish to earn minimum the same as a miner when I "really" craft something ?

I hope I'm not blamed for spoiling but here is an example:

I need 5 Steel-Stock for a dagger - this needs 50 ore/lump - would be in gold : 12.000 Tria
I need about half an hour for crafting the dagger would be in gold: 6.000 Tria

So selling it should bring a turnover of minimum 18.000 Tria !

I don't believe anyone would pay that, even if it is in perfect quality.

Well ... it looks as if I have to understand that crafting is "fun" and mining gold is "making money".

And with this point of view I will end my comments on that by beeing anxious about what you have more to say.

Tolol

Bartholin · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:03:38 am »

@Tolol

umm.. im not sure how much you pay attention to the markets.. but a dagger at 300 quilty (gm set limit.. might be fixed now.. dont know) does ALMOST the same amount as a sw dagger
a sw dagger.. is 200k+- depending on the mood of the buyers and sellers..

so.. its not unreasable to say that you could easly sell a 300 quility dagger would sell for 50k 100k..

*not sure on the 300quility attack damage.. dont use daggers nor do i craft..*

im still sure though that a set of daggers can easly sell for 18k per.. no prob... 20k , sure 50k.. < might be to much

)

[Edit: no reason to quote the entirity of thier post, especially since you are the one posting right after them. A simply "@[forum name]" is suffiecient. --Neko]

Tolol · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2007, 09:49:04 am »

This is awesome !!!

I really didn't know that this has become such valuable ...
(to be honest my last transaction on the weapon market was buying 2 iron-daggers for 60k each

)

But if this is true it would make things much easier ...

Let's say 25k for a perfect quality dagger - I'd pay the miner 12.5k and he would get 250 Tria per Ore/Lump
and there'd still be the other half of the money for the crafter (me $\\o//$ ).

So if you are right, the market has already regulated itself.

Only exception is the price for steel-stock.
If anyone is in crafting and will buy the stock instead of doing it himself he should pay at least 2500 Tria each.

But anyway ... I'm much surprised about that ... and I will soon craft my first pair of 300 daggers and then will see what happens when I sell them ...

Thank you for opening my eyes ...

Tolol

Narure · « **Reply #25 on:** January 04, 2007, 12:40:19 pm »

So he explained exactly what i said on the first reply

I should learn to explain things.

Tolol · « **Reply #26 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:10:45 pm »

Narure,

I am really sorry about that but I was abolutely NOT aware of these changes in value.
I promise to be better informed next time.

Tolol

Narure · « **Reply #27 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:20:13 pm »

no, no its my fault for not explaining.

LARAGORN · « **Reply #28 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:21:03 pm »

It pays to ask questions when it comes to the going rate for any item, I learnt the hard way

I sold a SWSS for about 1/4 of the normal going rate. I was very new and didnt have a clue on what things where sold for, I thought I was getting a great deal seeing as Harny only wanted to give me something like 1400 Tria for it.

Tolol · « **Reply #29 on:** January 04, 2007, 01:43:19 pm »

well, why not arrange a committee to regulary (spelling?) publish the avarage market-prices for the most common weapon ?

I think that would also help to get the market and economy to right path.

Maybe worth to think about !?