Getting 40 years of imprisonment because of spyware?

[Atomica]

I don't mean big productions. I thought that the quotation marks around director got that across.

Still bet it'd pay better than most jobs... The only way I can see that would be real exploitation would be if the woman was forced to do it for next to nothing.

But that's more televised rape than porn

[zanzibar]

I don't think it does either. In some cases it can be though. For example a "director" propositioning someone they knew was financialy in serious bother and what not. I wouldn't link them but thats the stance that my friends that are against the whole idea of porn take. Exploiting women should have been in inverted commas.

That's part of it.  It can come out in different ways too.  There was a big fuss among the "suicidegirls.com" crowd when they realized that a co-owner of the company was male.  Models left the company in herds after discovering it.  Of course, it leads you to wonder what the difference is between a woman owning the company and a man owning the company... it makes you question just how much the models actually cared about "equality".

(There was a mass exodus some years before that one as well, but that was mostly a reaction to the overall culture of immaturity and hipsters/scenepoints/image-obsession/treating music as fashion.)

Some people argue though that the sex industry is actually a case of women exploiting men, women using "what they have" to exploit the "needs" of men for money.  I'm not sure I agree with it, given that they're usually handing over a big part of their paycheck to someone else.

Even if it doesn't exploit women,  it encourages society to treat women poorly.  It presents an unrealistic image of the human body.  It presents an unrealistic portrayal of what sex is like.  It almost always presents women as submissive.  It almost always presents women as achieving climax without realistic "encouragement".  It also tends to present sex as unemotional, and it treats women as objects.

So to my mind, it's less appropriate to say that porn is "exploitive" of women and it's more appropriate to say that porn tends to corrupt social values by spreading misinformation.

Hmm, you do know how much those pornstars get paid, right? I'd kill to be a pornstar. If that's exploitation... baby I don't wanna be... unexploited

Strippers can make $200,000 a year if they're successfull.  It's entirely possible to retire early and be set for life  if you save your money.

Still bet it'd pay better than most jobs... The only way I can see that would be real exploitation would be if the woman was forced to do it for next to nothing.

But that's more televised rape than porn

Actresses are abused in certain ways, but I don't want to get graphic.  I'll send you a PM if that's ok with you.

[Parallo]

So to my mind, it's less appropriate to say that porn is "exploitive" of women and it's more appropriate to say that porn tends to corrupt social values by spreading misinformation.

Very true. I agree with you on that.

[zanzibar]

Oh, I forgot the worse one!  Japanese cartoon porn.  It's absolutely disgusting.  It's incredibly violent, and it spreads the message that women aren't supposed to enjoy sex, but that women do enjoy rape - if you persist.  An ex girlfriend of mine was into that stuff and I just didn't understand the appeal one bit.

Add in the fact that Japanese culture tends to depict the "ideal" woman as someone who is both innocent and sex-ready at the same time.

[Parallo]

I can't say I'm familiar with it, fortunatly. Sounds... not exactly nice.

[zanzibar]

I can't say I'm familiar with it, fortunatly. Sounds... not exactly nice.

Are you sure?  It's usually called Hentai, I think.  I thought it was pretty well known.

[Karyuu]

It's called hentai, and whatever floats people's goats This topic may be traveling into an iffy tangent, so let's go back to shock and outrage at the stupidity of our justice system.

[Atomica]

Jeez, you sure know a lot about this stuff, Zanzibar.
Is this wiki-regurgitation, or is your wife a stripper or something?

Anyway, I'd say the vast majorities of guys out there have viewed porn at least once, especially in places like America and Britain where it seems ingrained in their society. In fact, I read in a survey once that all males around the age of 16 masturbate at least 3 times a week (which includes everyone who doesn't look at porn, however), which evens out to about once-a-week at age 45... until it wears out an' goes limp as a wet noodle

Point being (yes, I had a point other than to make you never wanna shake hands with another guy again); with just about every guy having seen porn, I don't think women are treated any worse. In fact, women are only getting more and more independant and empowered, as opposed to the early 1900s and below, where porn was virtually non-existant...



P.S.
Hentai kicks balls...

[zanzibar]

The parole system tends to ignore offenses by people in halfway homes in order to artificially improve their statistics of success.  They suck!

Point being (yes, I had a point other than to make you never wanna shake hands with another guy again); with just about every guy having seen porn, I don't think women are treated any worse. In fact, women are only getting more and more independant and empowered, as opposed to the early 1900s and below, where porn was virtually non-existant...

In my opinion, one way society has oppressed women in both the past and present is by controlling their sexuality.  If women enjoy sex, or if women are educated about their bodies, then they become more empowered.  I think that as our attitudes become less Victorian, porn is more accepted and women are more empowered - as are men - but I don't think that the acceptance of porn is what has empowered women in society.


"Jeez, you sure know a lot about this stuff, Zanzibar. : P"

I know all.

[Parallo]

Are you sure?  It's usually called Hentai, I think.  I thought it was pretty well known.

I'm not completely in every case anti porn like my friends are but that doesn't mean I'd be familiar with its various branches and specialties

Well anyway, the legal system. The idea of going to jail on account of something thats not your fault is ludicrous. Reminds me of a time years ago in school a friend accidentally hit my nose and it bled. We both got a weeks detention.

Point being (yes, I had a point other than to make you never wanna shake hands with another guy again); with just about every guy having seen porn, I don't think women are treated any worse. In fact, women are only getting more and more independant and empowered, as opposed to the early 1900s and below, where porn was virtually non-existant...

There was porn in the early 1900s. There was in ancient China I'm pretty sure. Feminism has oversteped. Through outrage at men only clubs women destroyed them and built their own. Thats not right. Thats sexism going the other way.

[Atomica]

"Jeez, you sure know a lot about this stuff, Zanzibar. : P"

I know all.

Haha, thought you could get away with that didja, ya ol' perv

[zanzibar]

Just to add on to my other post:  I can believe that porn empowers women in some ways, and that as women are empowered, porn becomes more popular in society.  I think it goes both ways.  In some ways.  I think?

Haha, thought you could get away with that didja, ya ol' perv

I'm not old.



I'm not a perv either.

[Atomica]

Right. Sorry. I forgot, the proper euphemism is 'Porn Entrepranuer'

 (or however you spell that damn word  )

[ThomPhoenix]

Hmm, you do know how much those pornstars get paid, right? I'd kill to be a pornstar. If that's exploitation... baby I don't wanna be... unexploited

But yeah, this is getting off-topic.
But I don’t mind that much...

[emeraldfool]

It's called hentai, and whatever floats people's goats This topic may be traveling into an iffy tangent, so let's go back to shock and outrage at the stupidity of our justice system.

Hmm, PVC costumes, page 3 girls, flirting with the new girl, and now hentai. Kay, you're beginning to warp my impressions of you as a fair-skinned, innocent Americano maiden...