[Guild] Paladins

[zanzibar]

I see paladins in a different way - they are warrior monks, of knightly orders or appearance but having clerical powers.  But I think that there can be paladins of any religion or value system.  Why not have paladins of death and chaos, for instance?

[Jurrel]

   Hello Zanzibar! I like you.  Its nice to here from someone who has an open mind. Just because Palladins are lawful that does not mean that they will take everthing to the extreme. And your right to Zanzsibar being good is all a matter of your own perspective. I guess there may be some that seem to be on the dark side depending on your point of view.  We are on the side of good. We are helpful and kind. Thank you for your post.

[lordraleigh]

I see paladins in a different way - they are warrior monks, of knightly orders or appearance but having clerical powers.  But I think that there can be paladins of any religion or value system.  Why not have paladins of death and chaos, for instance?

*Cough* Alignment *Cough*

I do not recommend copying the "Paladin" concept from D&D but here is a proof of what Zanzibar said

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paladin_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)#Third_Edition_And_3.5

"Some accessory products have created variant paladins such as the Lawful Evil Paladin of Tyranny, the Chaotic Evil Paladin of Slaughter, and the Chaotic Good Paladin of Freedom (with the base Paladin being called "Paladin of Honor")."

"...championing the extreme "corner" alignments"

"However, issue 310 of Dragon magazine featured a "Paladin" for each alignment (for example, a Neutral Good Sentinel)."

Of course Paladins could also apply as champions of a great cause, ideal or faith instead of *cough* Alignment

[lanser]

just a little aside:
I was a member of The Paladins back when I first joined ps two years ago but the guild died during the summer of 05 afaik there are only a couple of us still playing

[Jurrel]

  Lordraleigh hello and thanks for your post the revision of the Paladins story is coming. You will be happy to see that what kind of Paladins we are. And yes Zanzibar is right there are different types. Once agian we are good please take my word on that. Lanser the great! Thank you for chiming in I wasnt aware that there was a Paladin group. Let me set you at ease we are an older group and are very stable. Our charactors are built well and we are involved with RP . Paladins are here to stay and we are almost ready to start.

[John80sk]

For a period, Laanx ruled Kadaikos harshly, giving to the Lemurs inflexible laws and a strict hierarchy. After discovering the delight of ruling his people, the Masked God became greedy for power.

Observing his regular and quiet face, Laanx remembered with nostalgia the time in which he was a beautiful lunar god. He got angry, cursing Talad and all Yliakum, and swore that, since Talad made him an unhappy and jealous being, he must suffer the consequences.

To prevent them from reaching Yliakum, Laanx sent one of his avatars to lead lure them into a cave full of water and game. He returned to study the portal, close to understanding its principle.

Seeing that the creature refused to follow his orders, Laanx became enraged and destroyed the creature by whispering a single word. During the following days, many other Klyros passed through the portal. Each time, Laanx tried to impose his will. Many of them were corrupted, tempted in many ways, or were destroyed or tortured, but none of them yielded to the god's will.

He was sure that Talad would receive him warmly, and he would be able to take advantage of this.

Sorry, Laanx always seemed a bit evil and manipulative to be a god classified as "good" to me.  Perhaps if you added a bit more of a crusader attitude... but as the all around good guys that Paladins usually represent, you'd be better off choosing another god.

[Jurrel]

  Ohh John must I go over this agian. Please go to the history page and start pulling out all the bad things all the Gods did. I know you have nothing better to do than rip apart someone elses work. However if your going to do it please pay attention to the complete history. There are as many good things said about Laanxs as you pulled out bad. You could do the same thing for all the Gods . What are you star magazine.What did Laanxs do to you? I am sorry she was mean to you. Ohh and by the way what I asked is if you liked the story or not. Thanks .

[lordraleigh]

For a period, Laanx ruled Kadaikos harshly, giving to the Lemurs inflexible laws and a strict hierarchy. After discovering the delight of ruling his people, the Masked God became greedy for power.

Observing his regular and quiet face, Laanx remembered with nostalgia the time in which he was a beautiful lunar god. He got angry, cursing Talad and all Yliakum, and swore that, since Talad made him an unhappy and jealous being, he must suffer the consequences.

To prevent them from reaching Yliakum, Laanx sent one of his avatars to lead lure them into a cave full of water and game. He returned to study the portal, close to understanding its principle.

Seeing that the creature refused to follow his orders, Laanx became enraged and destroyed the creature by whispering a single word. During the following days, many other Klyros passed through the portal. Each time, Laanx tried to impose his will. Many of them were corrupted, tempted in many ways, or were destroyed or tortured, but none of them yielded to the god's will.

He was sure that Talad would receive him warmly, and he would be able to take advantage of this.

Sorry, Laanx always seemed a bit evil and manipulative to be a god classified as "good" to me.  Perhaps if you added a bit more of a crusader attitude... but as the all around good guys that Paladins usually represent, you'd be better off choosing another god.

For Laanx it would probably be the following types of Paladin:

"...Lawful Evil Paladin of Tyranny..."

Or perhaps some kind of Inquisition...

[Jurrel]

  Lordraleighl look at the history. Read about all the gods please dont be disrespectful. We chose a god who loves her people. I am intitaled to my opinion but dont jam yours down my throat. All the gods did terrible things. I did read the entire history so please dont asume that I did not. Talad is the one who caused Laanx to become disfigured in the first place. Having faith in something that others do not believe is hard. Talad did everthing to benifit his own ego. I can only asume that the history did not just end there. It is altogether possible that Laanx continued to heal her broken heart and began to care for her people more. Choosing Talad would be the easy choice based on early history. But at the end of that history he built a temple for himself because he was jealouse of Laanxs. We may still consider Talad but that would be the easiest choice. Give the revision a chance and realize that alot has changed in Planeshift since the history was written. Along with possibly a change in Laanx's heart. The easiest choice is not always the best choice.

[Robinmagus]

The ranks seem, os say, pointless? I'm seeing a "warrior" "good warrior" "great warrior trend goin here.

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=25003.0

[Shambla]

In answer to the comment about the ranking structure: It was taken from the history of the middle ages, and is original, with the exception that I needed 3 levels of paladin to structure things as i want them to be. Also I was not comfortable with the title of king, so we removed Reeve and King and added 2 levels of Paladin.

In answer to all the digs on jurrels story. We thought that I must be posted in order to star the guild so he posted a first draft outline. It will be revised in full form as soon as I have time to finish the finale draft. This will most likely be some time Friday night.

The you can all dig on me.    hehehe

*edit*

all the comments are good ones. To the best of my knowlage, i have addressed tham all it the full version, Jurrel did the reasearch and worte the draft. I'm gonna ssstand by him there. however, the rewrite will fill in the hols you all have mentioned i believe. thanks for your intelegent imput. Next its my turn. I hope i diden't leave too juch for you to take apart.

[ Please avoid making one post right after the other in the same thread. Just "Modify" your first post to add more information. --Karyuu ]

[John80sk]

Ohh John must I go over this agian. Please go to the history page and start pulling out all the bad things all the Gods did. I know you have nothing better to do than rip apart someone elses work. However if your going to do it please pay attention to the complete history. There are as many good things said about Laanxs as you pulled out bad. You could do the same thing for all the Gods . What are you star magazine.What did Laanxs do to you? I am sorry she was mean to you. Ohh and by the way what I asked is if you liked the story or not. Thanks .

Petty insults won't do you any good

And what I am trying to say to you, and try to wrap your mind around this as it's difficult to get any more direct than I was before, is that your story doesn't fit the settings.  Talad generally was a good guy, just was impatient.

Lordraleighl look at the history. Read about all the gods please dont be disrespectful. We chose a god who loves her people. I am intitaled to my opinion but dont jam yours down my throat. All the gods did terrible things. I did read the entire history so please dont asume that I did not. Talad is the one who caused Laanx to become disfigured in the first place. Having faith in something that others do not believe is hard. Talad did everthing to benifit his own ego. I can only asume that the history did not just end there. It is altogether possible that Laanx continued to heal her broken heart and began to care for her people more. Choosing Talad would be the easy choice based on early history. But at the end of that history he built a temple for himself because he was jealouse of Laanxs. We may still consider Talad but that would be the easiest choice. Give the revision a chance and realize that alot has changed in Planeshift since the history was written. Along with possibly a change in Laanx's heart. The easiest choice is not always the best choice.

Just because someone goes against your opinion doesn't mean they're jamming it down your throat.  You really must learn what constructive criticism is.

Now, for my overall opinion, which is going to be a bit more blunt now as you irritate me, the story is unimaginitive, the ranks are pointless AND unimaginitive, and the guild is unimaginitive.  It's something we've all seen before, and frankly, bores me.  You see, that was unconstructive criticism, learn the difference.

[Parallo]

* Parallo reads over the thread.

Hmm. Of to a fair start. Most tend to listen to others though and not tell them how their god behaves without evidence. You had potential. You could've been good if you took criticism on board. Your fair start seems to be gone now. That is, untill you start to listen.

[lanser]

I only mentioned the original Paladins Guild to show that it is not the first time we've had Paladins in PS

[Jurrel]

   Ahh ok I see. Like  I stated before this is a rough draft. The revision is coming soon. I wouldnt know if there has been a guild like this before because I arrived six weeks ago. As long as I have been here I have seen peoples history and storys get ripped apart. Mostly all for the same reason. Its not in the history or its unimaginative. Does the history in Planeshift stand still? If I use my imagination Im wrong. If I stay with history Im unimaginative. The rankings do have a pupose. I agree there are to many Paladin positions that will probably change. I also stated that we were considering changing the god. If we did change the god would we be more like everyone else. Would that be unimaginative? Is it possible that Laanxs embrasses the people that worship her?