[GUILD] The Syndicate

[Sangwa]

I would like to organize at least 1 RP within the guild on each week.

I can't understand this. I usually roleplay everytime I join Planeshift.


Plus, we do not agree with that story. You haven't asked permission to use any of our background, so we won't give it to you unless you work together with us on how to insert the Dark Empire in your background story. The Dark Empire is the oldest cause in Planeshift. We won't accept being seen as something formed after this, not even as far as Roleplaying is concerned. I would consider that godmodding on your part: the power to rule time and insert your guild in a timeline it never existed in or knows of.
Also, the Dark Empire only fought (in public war) Xperto and The Cabal as far as I know. Under Draklar's Warlordship. Under Setill's we also might have had fights with other guilds that I can not seem to remember. All these happened along time after DE's creation though.

I'd be glad to have DE in a guild background story, however you'd have to let me help you in inserting it there, since it's my place to say what the Empire has done and seen.

And one more thing "Behind the Scenes" usually means secret. You blew that part away .

Your ranks aren't too original and they include a wide variety of tasks and little to the hierarchic part of the guild. Maybe that's what usually happens in Syndicate's though, I'm not too sure. It doesn't happen in gangster syndicates though, where hierarchy is important. Besides, I see no goal of this syndicate of yours, besides looking sly. A Syndicate is usually created to pursue some goals for all its members. All in all I think it should be an organization, rather than a guild (if you want to be faithful to the "Syndicate" aspect).

I hope you don't think I'm being harsh. I think everyone is capable of giving a healthy contribute to Planeshift's roleplaying, but you need to make some modifications.

Planeshift has no alignment system.

[Nurahk]

Fighting the cabal implies you putting up a fight.  We kinda just walked all over you

But that's in the past.

As for the "Behind the Scenes" Part, I don't think it's completely blown.  The IIA works behind the scenes and is quite public.

[zanzibar]

The Dark Empire is the oldest cause in Planeshift.

The oldest?  There aren't guilds around today which are manifestations of guilds that predate the DE?

[Sangwa]

The oldest?  There aren't guilds around today which are manifestations of guilds that predate the DE?

No. I'm sure you don't understand the age of the Dark Empire, since it has been around a long time before your arrival, or the arrival of any guild you know of. Nilaya of the Explorers can tell you that, if you won't take it from me.

We kinda just walked all over you

No. Auran prized the Princess and he never got anyone in. In fact, we had a spy inside the Cabal. Ain't that fun?

This has nothing to do with the current topic though... Unless it serves as information to the creator of this thread, so he can further understand the depth and seriousness of the Empire.

[zanzibar]

What about Sentinels of the Ragnarok? (December 2004 I think)


BAH

[Karyuu]

The DE was founded on the 7th of May, 2002.

*edit* Link which you added while I was making the post :]

[zanzibar]

The DE was founded on the 7th of May, 2002.

Thus the link in my post.

*edit* No excuses!

[Ryiel Fohpaws]

Ooops... Finally some critics.

Firstly, I thought a battle that was won by the DE does not shakes the ground. I thought a guild like the DE had many fights over the years. Just to "shake" the story of your guild: How can it be so powerful with just 2 battles won by the DE? I thought one more battle that was won by the DE might heighten their reputation but  I can rewrite the guild story if it's a problem. But Sangwa, please do your best and help me to insert the DE in the story

I would like to organize at least 1 RP within the guild on each week.

I can't understand this. I usually roleplay everytime I join Planeshift.

Ok, I try to explain it: Call it quest, mission, whatever with rewards. Read the website, I think I wrote it somewhere there. The whole PS is a roleplay game, that's right. But you have to RP that Harnquist has problems since he is an NPC. (I hope I don't have to ask permission for RPs that involve NPCs from the dev team  )

About the ranks:
You are right it's not that original, it's not that well developed but the hierarchy based on the guild points. Read the website. I hope this idea is more original like

@Zanzibar

They had the Kada-El, even Brado had to pay them for protection.

I've started this game 4 months ago. I saw two different people running the tavern of Kada-el. Is my story that unbelieveable? I don't really see any problem with it but throw some rocks at me if I'm wrong. About Brado: Perhaps he was blackmailed or the members of the sydicate were scared away his customers and he had to play. I said nothing about how it was solved. Perhaps Brado was p*ssed off enough to kill those people who ruined his business. (Or asked the DE for help ) Should I read the PS story once more? I thought all the portals were opened by Vodúl but so be it. I'll edit this part. (I hope it is the biggest problem with the guild...) Nobody said that Vodúl opened that portal just for me. I don't want to sound harsh but it sounds like you just had a look at the website and did not really read the story. (Or my english is that bad...) The Shadow of Darkness and the Outlaws were just mentioned. Nothing else, nothing more. (I hope they are not p*ssed off for mentioning their names...) You have to separate the past and the present. The brothers are older now, much more older...(But i can rewrite the story that the Syndicate was led by a couple and their children returned.) Their defeat by the DE was in the past and they returned now. Hetrius started some legal businesses, the story of Knoterey is not finished yet. (I have no idea what he wants to do, it's up to Raaka.) About the smugglers: As far as I remember The Outlaws had a good RP about smuggling something to Hydlaa. (Alcohol or drugs I cant remember, It was fun.) Izzabella tried to pickpocket my character many times and I always RP'd that way. We rolled and if she won, i gave her money. (Unforunately she was caught three times )

I just really did not want a guild without past, without purpose. (Hmm.. Does the Syndicate have purpose? I hope it has ) My opinion is different about the godmodding thing. I think the defeat of the DE would have been godmodding but the DE won, that's the point. The Syndicate was crushed, disbanded, destroyed, whatever. That's the point.

I know I could not solve all the problems in one post but I'm looking forward to hear more comments.

[zanzibar]

You're writing stories involving people's characters without first getting their permission.  That's a big no no.

There is an actually history progressing in game from player interactions, but you seem disinterested in it.  There's nothing wrong IMO with writing stories, but what about finding a ballance?

And you ARE godmoding by inventing wars that never happened and saying that you own Hydlaa from behind the scenes.  If I remember right FROM READING YOUR STORY, one of your members is even Vigisemi.

Your time line is also out of sync with the time line described in the game settings and in the (ever evolving) ingame history.  If you want to just write and say whatever you want to, then fine, go for it.  But you're going to run into a lot of problems when you try to get others to play along with you.

[Sangwa]

7 May. Wow thank you. I knew DE was old, but I didn't know its birthday. It shall be reverenced from now on. *points at 2004 and chuckles*

The Dark Empire has never been too warlike. We usually win without shedding blood and that's what Sun Tzu calls a victory by excellence. I've been repeating this since I joined the Empire. I would think this to be common sense by now. So your remark back there is shaking your own head at what should be known, not shaking DE's story.

Plus, the victory of ours you mentioned wouldn't "highten" our reputation, it would smear it. People know (or should by now) we don't fight without a reason, and you just named a battle out of the blue.


About the RP thing: The interaction you operate with other guilds and people will shape the roleplay in the best way possible. Making up stuff doesn't do us any good. That doesn't mean your char shouldn't plot and organize schemes. It just means you, as a player, shouldn't be out there trying to input something that's already there and just needs some tending to. In the end we get a continuous storyline, instead of events detached in time and space, and forgotten as trivial entertainment.

Saying DE won won't make up for anything. You consider yourself to have been here since the birth of days, since before DE. I can't cope with that. I'll gladly help you with your background, if you PM me what role you expect from the Empire in your background story, but not if you insist on shaping all these things incoherently. Your story should either not conflict with other people's notions, or it should be made: like DE's background (at our library. Feel free to check our site, it's linked at my sig. At the forums you'll find the library with some chronicles. I'll be adding "Aelya and Dark" story soon [tm].)
I'll put some emphasis on this and tell you that referring one of you was meant to be a Vigisimi contributes to that unreal touch. Makes me remember that girl who was going to be an Octarch... and laugh. Now, what would you think if every guild started saying they were here since always, that the Octarch had been friends with them for a long while now, and that they'd lived since the opening of the Portals? What if I said I was the result of one of Vodul's and Laanx's nights of fun?

I don't like your point system, as it allows powerlevelling idiots to succeed just because they are maxxed out.

don't be cruel.

I'd never think about such a thing. Now get rid of that alignment thingy!  Also, don't make it look like you can just offer RP like it was lemons. We're all roleplay guilds here, and everyone should be a roleplayer. People should join your guild because it is interesting, different or because it links well with a certain kind of characters, not because you give away what everyone else should be giving away.

Thanks for taking my critics as critics. Some people tend to overweight opinion and cry about our ways of being helpful. Sorry for the long reply, I'll be more succinct if you ask me to.

[edit: removed some info to make the post smaller]

[Ryiel Fohpaws]

I see there are some misunderstandings going on.

You're writing stories involving people's characters without first getting their permission.  That's a big no no.

I think i mentioned nobody's character. I mentioned guilds. (But I can see now that even heightening some else's guild is wrong in times like these ) I see it was wrong to mention other people's guild. I could not even image that one more victory can make any difference in other's guildstory but you are right, I want to force nobody to follow my way, even if it makes no difference and all that i needed was nodding.

There is an actually history progressing in game from player interactions, but you seem disinterested in it.

The story of the DE develops since it had been founded in 2002. It's 2007 now. I'm up for a history lesson, would anyone be kind to sum up what happened in the past 5 years? To be honest, there must be some problems with me because I still don't see what's that big deal. I hope someone can open my eyes.

And you ARE godmoding by inventing wars that never happened and saying that you own Hydlaa from behind the scenes.  If I remember right FROM READING YOUR STORY, one of your members is even Vigisemi.

You are right, I invented a war that was won by the Dark Empire. I haven't asked for their permission, I didn't know how to deal with these things but I asked Sangwa to cooperate in my last post to fix the issues. I'm up for any solution that's good for the DE. I would even cut that part of the story and write something else. So bomb me with your suggestions you guys!

Let me quote some lines from my guildstory: Click here to read the whole story!
It begins with these words: "Long time ago..." I think it's clear that it did not happen yesterday. Not even on the day before yesterday.
"Hetrius had been elected to be a Vigesimi while Knoterey started to run a smuggler network. " <-- I think this sentence is in past perfect tense.
"But someone had found out the relation between Hetrius and The Syndicate so he had to leave." <-- It means that Hetrius is no longer a Vigesimi, doesn't it?
"He had to flee, he had to give up all his busniesses, belongings and dreams... " <-- The Sydicate had been abolished.
"After ages of waiting, Two strangers entered the gates of Hydlaa. They took one more step forward, then nodded to each other. They went on different ways but with same thoughts: They wanted to restore the power once they had..." <-- The last sentence suggests us that they have no power now...

Sangwa, I saw you were faster than me but I have no time right now, so I'm gonna answer you later. Just one another thing! The line that you quoted does not look like the original one. That had a

[zanzibar]

I see there are some misunderstandings going on.

Yes, and we're trying to help you with your misunderstandings.

I think i mentioned nobody's character. I mentioned guilds.

And you think that changes anything?  Besides, a guild is the group of characters that run it.  When you say the Dark Empire, you refer to the people who run it.

(But I can see now that even heightening some else's guild is wrong in times like these )

You are not in any position to heighten the Dark Empire.  However, they are in a position to heighten you, and that's all you've tried to do.  You wrote them into your history to try to make yourself look better.

To be honest, there must be some problems with me because I still don't see what's that big deal. I hope someone can open my eyes.

The problem is that you're godmoding without shame.

So bomb me with your suggestions you guys!

I don't think that your history is worth saving.  I don't think it's possible to save, because you've writen yourself as a 650 year old character who secretly controls all of Hydlaa from behind the scenes and you have a history of wars with old guilds but you ally yourself with guilds which haven't been around for a month RLtime.

Let me quote some lines from my guildstory:

Let me tell you once again that I've already read your guildstory, and you would do well to reread the responses people have given you.


Listen, I don't mean to be mean.  I don't want to scare away new players.  I don't want to put an end to storywriting and storytelling and people going slightly outside the settings to further their own roleplaying.  But what you've tried to do is incredibly impractical.

[Parallo]

I hope someone can open my eyes.

Gladly. In the view of the DE a victory by bloodshed is not something to be proud of. It's something bad. Forceing that upon the DE is therefore something bad. The DE's perception of a good reputation is obviously different to yours. I'll put it more into your terms then by way of a hypothetical situation. A guild appears 5 years from now. Your guild is still around. They're history says that they battled you and drew. Would no not find that irratating?

[Ryiel Fohpaws]

I'm late for my meeting dude. But who cares I spent a lotta time on having debates on political issues. I do admit if someone has the talent for reasoning. I know you see someone here with 10 posts and with 4 months of playtime who tries to explain you something but the thing is that he wants to explain is out of your sight. You're trying to show my guildstory in view that hardly covers the truth. I don't see any kind of reasoning, only attacks with full force in bad way of manner. I don't really like this kinda "showing the right way to newbies" help but if it's the way how you wanna tell somebody that he is wrong, so be it. I took Sangwa's critics as critics but yours are rather offence than critics. I don't wanna compare what Sangwa offered as helping newbies and what you did but it's hardly the same. You just ignore my posts, my reasoning.
Nothing proves it better than these facts:
1. The portal thing. Bereror posted the link to the Q&A: August Answers. Nobody knows where the portals are, they are closed or not. PROBABLY they are closed. Nobody said the brothers arrived when Hydlaa was just founded.
2. They control nothing now. They have no power now. But you keep telling me that they still control everything behind the scenes.
3. Nobody said that The Syndicate is allied with the shadow of darkness or the outlaws.
I don't know who you are and why are you twisting my words. But have fun mate, I don't blame you. Peace 

@Parallo: Thank you, I did not know that. Sangwa offered his help to solve this matter and I gladly accept it. Perhaps i could not emphasize that this Syndicate is not the old one cause they had nothing when they fled the city and went back to the cave system. Only the two persons are the same. (But I already wrote that you are right guys and they cant be the same, the timeline is a bit messy now. The past Syndicate could have been led by a couple and the brothers are their children. Sounds better, huh?) Anyway, thanks for all those who opened my eyes, my story is hardly flawless. I hope I can patch the holes.

But i should have left one hour ago. I come back tomorrow, hopefully.

[Parallo]

I was reading that thinking it was directed at me! Didn't realise till I got to the "@Parallo:" bit. Heh. Well good luck with fixing it. It shows flaws but glimmering beneeth those flaws is potential. You just have to clean away the flaws to get to it.