Resposibility and Honesty

[Karyuu]

Are you posting just to shove your foot deeper in your mouth? :) This is unbelievable.

[zanzibar]

Suno_Regin, you're being a bit narrowminded and paranoid.  Are you sure that you mean all that you're writing?

[Gwinn Ravenn]

yes please. take the high road and let it go. You made a comment that he found offensive, he had a human moment and lashed out, now you are lashing back. lay to rest this back and forth tounge lashing. Start fresh and do it from the standpoint of common respect. Not just as you speaking from your point of view, but also in respect for your fellow players to whom your commentary reflect.

[Akaye]

  All I have to say on all of this is I am truly disappionted that the maturity level in this community has dropped in the last few months. I really wish certain individuals would learn how to be constructive and come up with solutions rather than bitching. Don't you realise you would be taken more seriously then? Isn't that what we want? To solve issues? To have the players taken seriously? To have a peaceful enviroment with player working with the game creators? The easy part is to point out mistakes, and it is even easier to point fingers and blame. What isn't so easy is people working together to fix these mistakes. I just don't see that here in this thread with certain individuals.

The player "Eid" seems to been dealt with as any other player would have been if exploiting a bug. He knows the rules. If he is a devoted player then he knows (Or should!) the consequences of his actions. Period. The Dev's or GM's don't need to explain themselves and the players need to open their eyes and learn from Eid's mistakes as Eid is learning this mistake the hard way and is an example to us all. I am not entirely sure what punishment was dealt out to Eid but I back up anything that the Gm/Dev team have decided. I trust them to be mature about the situation and make the right decisions, because these people are also loyal to the game (as some have said about eid) and have it's best interests at heart. That my friends is something you should trust in, and stop attacking the team when something doesn't go the way you think it should. Instead ask why and show your interest and concern. Then either accept the answer as is and move on or come up with a solution that the planeshift team can work with. Dropping silverweaves in the plaza is not helping anything, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

@Gwinn Ravenn: It is no surprize that suno is known as the communities #1 complainer. If he has an issue with those who post back to him, let him defend and deal with it himself. Your not helping anything. :/
 

[zanzibar]

The player "Eid" seems to been dealt with as any other player would have been if exploiting a bug. He knows the rules. If he is a devoted player then he knows (Or should!) the consequences of his actions. Period.

Eid knew he was going to get banned.  He did what he did to draw attention to the exploit, and he expected to be punished for it.

[Suno_Regin]

All I have to say on all of this is I am truly disappionted that the maturity level in this community has dropped in the last few months. I really wish certain individuals would learn how to be constructive and come up with solutions rather than bitching. Don't you realise you would be taken more seriously then? Isn't that what we want? To solve issues? To have the players taken seriously? To have a peaceful enviroment with player working with the game creators? The easy part is to point out mistakes, and it is even easier to point fingers and blame. What isn't so easy is people working together to fix these mistakes. I just don't see that here in this thread with certain individuals.

The player "Eid" seems to been dealt with as any other player would have been if exploiting a bug. He knows the rules. If he is a devoted player then he knows (Or should!) the consequences of his actions. Period. The Dev's or GM's don't need to explain themselves and the players need to open their eyes and learn from Eid's mistakes as Eid is learning this mistake the hard way and is an example to us all. I am not entirely sure what punishment was dealt out to Eid but I back up anything that the Gm/Dev team have decided. I trust them to be mature about the situation and make the right decisions, because these people are also loyal to the game (as some have said about eid) and have it's best interests at heart. That my friends is something you should trust in, and stop attacking the team when something doesn't go the way you think it should. Instead ask why and show your interest and concern. Then either accept the answer as is and move on or come up with a solution that the planeshift team can work with. Dropping silverweaves in the plaza is not helping anything, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

@Gwinn Ravenn: It is no surprize that suno is known as the communities #1 complainer. If he has an issue with those who post back to him, let him defend and deal with it himself. Your not helping anything. :/
 

zorbels, take some time to see this through the eyes of a normal player. You're saying what you're saying because since you're a GM, you hold a strict position in enforcing rules, but if you were a normal player again, you would realize that this was needed. This problem was fixed a lot sooner and more seriously because of what Eid did. If he had done nothing, it would have gone unchecked and everyone would be abusing this and powerleveling. He caused the long-needed wipe to happen, though it was a small one, and things are actually balanced again. So he's banned for it now? It doesn't matter if he broke the rules, he helped the community out, kept it from becoming unbalanced and corrupt.

[emeraldfool]

Suno, you are being an absolute ass. Quit calling us lazy and stop pretending that you're somehow going through a sort of agony "dealing" with us for two years. What bull

Wow, Karyuu finally flipped out.

Damn, wish I'd thought to start a pool...

[josephoenix]

You know, accepting a position as developer, artist, writer, director, game-master, irc op, or forum moderator gets you free access to a room with padded walls so that you can scream and beat your fists against the wall in frustration without disturbing the rest of the community. It's like being part of a golf club, only a lot more stressful

josePhoenix

[Gwinn Ravenn]

in response to the following:
"@Gwinn Ravenn: It is no surprize that suno is known as the communities #1 complainer. If he has an issue with those who post back to him, let him defend and deal with it himself. Your not helping anything. :/"

How is pointing out that line of commentary as being unproductive unhelpful. defusing an escalating situation is not unproductive. To ask some one to step back, take a moment to think before they comment out of anger or hurt feeling is not counter productive. Even if he is a constant complainer, he may from time to time have a valid point. Anyone can change their ways. I am sorry but I can not write anyone off. My child complains very often, but I do not ignore everything he says because I know that. If he begins to post respectfully it has done good. If he does not then most likely he will be ignored. Who is to say what is helpful, and what is not. My comments are neither hostile nor vindictive. therefore I stand by my post.

[Akaye]

Zorbels, take some time to see this through the eyes of a normal player. You're saying what you're saying because since you're a GM, you hold a strict position in enforcing rules, but if you were a normal player again, you would realize that this was needed. This problem was fixed a lot sooner and more seriously because of what Eid did. If he had done nothing, it would have gone unchecked and everyone would be abusing this and powerleveling. He caused the long-needed wipe to happen, though it was a small one, and things are actually balanced again. So he's banned for it now? It doesn't matter if he broke the rules, he helped the community out, kept it from becoming unbalanced and corrupt.

You need to check your head suno. Assumtions are for ass****s and everyone has one.

I am not saying this because I am a GM. I truly care about this project and this is WHY I became a GM. I started out as a player and I will always be a player. A Gm is a player with rules to enforce. They are not much different from your average player and this is something the community forgets because of the title we bear. It really is a shame. I have never forgotten my time as a newbie and I always fight for the players side of things IF they are truly good suggestions that may work or situations in which they were wronged. I have enough faith in this community to know that those who know me know I am speaking the truth.  If I was a normal player I would have made the same post.

It was not right of him to drop silverweaves in the middle of the plaza. He is not going to get the "your a hero" reward. There were many other ways this bug could have been reported to the Dev's and Gm's. If one failed then try another. Just don't give up at one and take matters into your own hands. He got the punishment he deserved. Period. Suno, it is done and over. Deal with it. Your posts hold no good argument and are just a bunch of hot air.

@Gwinn: Never mind. You wanna talk about this? Then use the pm button. It has no place in this thread. Seems to me from all your posts your just looking to argue. Well pm away. 

[Esserfin]

It was not right of him to drop silverweaves in the middle of the plaza. He is not going to get the "your a hero" reward. There were many other ways this bug could have been reported to the Dev's and Gm's. If one failed then try another. Just don't give up at one and take matters into your own hands. He got the punishment he deserved. Period.

I can only agree about this. We had similar problems in the past, like the 'outstanding slash' sword i still remember that was able to fix your trias problem for a long time if sold. The problem usually is about who find a bug first.  So let me say one last thing:
Everyone who discover a serious bug *please* report it immediatly and never spoke about it around too much (or never do it). Contact GMs and Devs, PM them, rush the IRC...go to their home and poke them personally. But try not to spread the issue around. If this bug has been around since December and people have spoken about it around than there's nothing we can do to prevent a wipe.



 

[Suno_Regin]

You need to check your head suno. Assumtions are for ass****s and everyone has one.

You do realize what you just said, right?

[Akaye]

Yes I do it is a famous quote. From your reaction to it I don't think you get it, but remember I am not the one who assumed. You done yet?

[Memnaur]

Up to now I've always tried to restrict my comments to those which are constructive, positive, and supportive of the dev team...but the last several posts have gotten absurd. Xylaal raised some valid concerns when she started this thread, and so far the moderators, devs, and IRCops that represent PS have been so busy being reactive to criticism, vilifying Eid, and insulting players that only _ONE_ of you have taken time to address the issues she raised.

Look, you are taking part in a public project that is on the INTERNET. Anyone who has ever sat in a college Social Psychology class understands that the anonymity of this medium will evoke the absolute worst in the public, and they will say things here that they would never say to your face. Being reactive to these folks who throw bombs does nothing but assure that the esteem that we players feel towards you will be lessened. Your only reinforcing Xylaal's point that communication between players and PS staff needs to improve.

This is normally the point in my post where I gush platitudes and praise for the hard work that you all do, but for now, I'll just sign off...

Steamed and Disappointed,

Memnaur

[Suno_Regin]

Yes I do it is a famous quote. From your reaction to it I don't think you get it, but remember I am not the one who assumed. You done yet?

You just said everyone has one, so you're basically calling everyone in the community an ass****.