Wait what? WHOA!

[Parallo]

Yep, gravity will never happen.

[emeraldfool]

@Emerald - Republican votes? I hope you mean votes by people voting for the republicans and not those who are republicans

I mean the Democrats are totally super-exaggerating Global Warming in order to steal the votes for the Republicans.

Global warming exists, but it's not spawning vicious hurricanes all over the place, and we're not all gonna die in a few months.

The worst thing that could happen is in 1000 years, they have to set up UV shields to allow people to walk outside with their skin exposed.

[zanzibar]

A theory isn't a fact. Period.

All facts are theories.

I mean the Democrats are totally super-exaggerating Global Warming in order to steal the votes for the Republicans.

Global warming exists, but it's not spawning vicious hurricanes all over the place, and we're not all gonna die in a few months.

The worst thing that could happen is in 1000 years, they have to set up UV shields to allow people to walk outside with their skin exposed.

Emerald, would you care to cite some references?

[emeraldfool]

A theory isn't a fact. Period.

All facts are theories.

All theories can be slanted. Things left out, other things magnified.





You think global warming is the reason hurricanes are appearing more frequently? Okay, here's my reference:




GW equates about a 0.4 degrees Celsius difference. Yet according to http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Hurricanes/ , the formation of a hurricane requires a water temp of 26.5 degrees Celsius or higher. In other words - a HELL of a lot more than simply GW on its own.

[Zelfuro Mirageon]

Never fear Al Gore will save us!!1 

[Annah]

I hit someone's head with a baseball bat. It hurts. That's a fact, it was tried before. I don't see any theories here. Now, tell me, how was in the last ice age? You were there uhm?

[Parallo]

I is a theory. I theorise that, from the weight of this bat and my accuracy from this swing and it's velocity, it'll break his face.

[Annah]

I said that it hurts, you're not following me.

[zanzibar]

All theories can be slanted. Things left out, other things magnified.

Are you saying that the widely accepted understanding of Global Warming - which I consider to be a fact more than a theory, despite facts in theory being theories - is slanted?  How so specifically?

I hit someone's head with a baseball bat. It hurts. That's a fact, it was tried before. I don't see any theories here. Now, tell me, how was in the last ice age? You were there uhm?

We have records of conditions during the last ice age from things like sediment, ice layers in the arctic, etc.  Feel free to do your own research if the topic interests you.

[Parallo]

I said that it hurts, you're not following me.

I theorise that, since breaking various parts of the body causes pain, so does the braking of a person's face with said baseball bat.

[Idoru]

A theory isn't a fact. Period.

All facts are theories.

Thank you, you saved me saying that.

The point is that it isnt propaganda, it is real, it is true, cycles do exist but we are vastly increasing what the natural cycle is. all it takes is for the gulf stream to stop (which wont take much of a change in the salinity of the atlantic ocean) and we, in europe, will be in another ice age. we are actually enduring an inter glacial period as it is, whe people refer to the last ice age the are refering to now, we are still in it, its just an intervening period within which we should have a slight global warming, but it is currently in excess of what is projected from past inter-glacial periods. We hav all the weather data from the past couple of million years, but we blindly ignore it because oil is the life blood of the modern economy.

[Annah]

No kiddo, it hurts, it always hurts. THAT is a fact, because it was tried over and over again.

And zanzibar, what you say there is more what different scientists believe, and on what they did agree.

[Zelfuro Mirageon]

I understand the whole Theory vs. Fact debate, but there is many things I don't need to know for fact to believe they are true, eating certain things to know what they are, if it smells and looks like it, it is. Facts are, ice shelves are melting, creating more black water, which abosrbs the Suns rays, creating temperatures in the oceans to rise, making ice melt faster. The Green House effect is widely disputed, but there seems to be good evidence there something going on with, turn on the news, there are a lot more weird, wacky weather crap happening, things climate wise are definitely changing.

[Annah]

Idoru, again, a theory isn't a fact. Period.

And if you read what I've said earlier, you'll see I mentioned that yes, we did speed up things, but that doesn't mean the world is falling apart!

[zanzibar]

No kiddo, it hurts, it always hurts. THAT is a fact, because it was tried over and over again.

It's not a fact.  It's induction.  There's a difference.  If you see a million black crows, you can conclude through induction that all crows are black.  But until you've seen all crows, it's not a fact.  It's merely induction.  Same goes for getting hit in the face with a baseball bat.  Philosophically speaking, that is.

And zanzibar, what you say there is more what different scientists believe, and on what they did agree.

Uh, what?  Care to try saying that again?

Idoru, again, a theory isn't a fact. Period.

You're wrong for the reasons given to you in previous posts.

I'll dumb it down:  Given the evidence at hand, Global Warming is a fact by most standards.