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« on: February 05, 2007, 12:27:38 am »
Edit By Neko:  Topics split from this thread: http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27339.0
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As the rest of the post became obsolete as well here is the brief. This post started as something lacking seriousness(a very bad joke, I admit it), met Godwins Law twice, accidentally offended some people, but then started changing to something else more consistent as some claims denying the previous posted goal of the Dark Empire, "World Domination", is still in account.

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 12:37:59 am »
lordraleigh, what's with you and nazis?  The Dark Empire guild has nothing in common with the nazis.  Quit being stupid.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 03:23:27 am »
*Updated*

Pass away from here and go for the next page, as it was still the bad part of the discussion.
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2007, 03:31:34 am »
Bring your flames elsewhere Zanzibar. This is not the place for such actions and offensive words.

Dude, I'm not flaming you.  This is around the dozenth time that you've compared the Dark Empire guild to the nazis, and it needs to stop.
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2007, 07:13:31 am »
well, they are lawful evil aren't they?  And isn't that was fascism is?  Lawful evil? :P
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2007, 08:05:33 am »
well, they are lawful evil aren't they?  And isn't that was fascism is?  Lawful evil? :P


Fascism is lawful evil, but there are a lot of other systems of government that are lawful evil as well.  Some would argue that capitalism is lawful evil.  But the point is that fascism is one lawful evil system among many.

The thing is, the Dark Empire - and other likeminded individuals - are above the narrow definitions of good and evil.  If you say that your character is "good", or if you say that it's "bad", you haven't really said very much.  Not in the context of Planeshift, anyway.  And there's no reason why your character can't be a mix of both.  So what some of us have done is to decide to throw those words out the window because they aren't terribly useful.


Now, you could argue that a character would say "There's no such thing as good and evil" if they wish to hide the fact that they're evil.:)
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2007, 10:07:21 am »
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Fascism is lawful evil, but there are a lot of other systems of government that are lawful evil as well.  Some would argue that capitalism is lawful evil.  But the point is that fascism is one lawful evil system among many.
actually capitalism would be unlawful evil, being a free market and all :)

Ah, but really, I wasn't serious at all with that statement... As a matter of fact I'm not serious with most of my statements.  Always assume that my statement isn't serious, unless I say it isn't.
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2007, 05:29:37 pm »
@Lordraleigh I'm being quite serious now when I say that the first comparision to Nazis could slide with me, more will not. I'm begining to find it quite offencive. When said in passing thats quite alright but when repeated in the way you do it becomes rather grating. I am formaly requesting that you stop before I get pissed off.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 06:29:54 pm »
@Lordraleigh I'm being quite serious now when I say that the first comparision to Nazis could slide with me, more will not. I'm begining to find it quite offencive. When said in passing thats quite alright but when repeated in the way you do it becomes rather grating. I am formaly requesting that you stop before I get pissed off.

Take it easy!
Anyway it's gone from here.
And lastly: There is no need of formally making a threat.

No more mentions. Godwins Law applied fullwise.

It was not my intention to offend you. Anyway your request was listened to. It's gone. So it's Case Closed. Hostilities are pointless due to that.

And Parallo, I didn't know the Dark Empire was real and that you are a member of them in the real world. Sorry for comparing you to such. In other words: there is a difference between referring to a ficticious organization and to ficticious characters and referring to real ones!. I didn't make this non-serious comparison to the players behind the Dark Empire. Of course I understand if you take any thing targeted towards your RP so seriously. So it's over...

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Anyway, I recommend to anyone comparing the Dark Empire with the Nazis to retreat to a quiet cabin in the woods and think over his or her life.

Your witty/sarcastic comment was spotted.  X-/ Now this thread met Godwins Law twice. More one reason to bury it. Time to magnify a little the message.

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I just noticed that in the edit. I feel the need to respond as it is addressed to me. Firstly, if we go by your logic there is no point in comparing any PS organisation to a RL organisation. You seem inconsistant in that respect. Second, by making that comparision it seems that you think that the upholding of a tradition is equivilent to gassing jews and such. I would naturaly take offence to that as I enjoy the idea of a sense of loyalty and tradition(Non-discriminative of course) rhich is the Empire as I've explained to you time after time. As progressive as I may be in politics I still enjoy the convention of various things like formalities. So yes I take offence.

Well what I meant is that such (bad joke)comparison was not addressed to the members of the Dark Empire as real world people. It was a cheap bad joke, nothing else. Anyway the only point of similarity is the "take over the world" thing and the authoritarianism.  Something that several fully different types of organizations, both fictional and real, struggled to achieve. It was not targeted on the values of the players at all, if you were offended, it's over, so no need of bickering about it now.

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@ lordraleigh: You should be better than this.  You were the one that set the hostile tone.  And you had to know that what you said would have offended some people, especially given the number of times that you said it.

    This is starting looking like a flame bait against me! Do I need to reply for the third time this thing is over and that I cleaned up the posts about it? Well if you wish to keep this pointless discussion while extending the life of this now finished thread, I won't support you by adding a new post zanzibar. I apologized myself about this, as I didn't know the people here took such things so seriously. Now quit with it, this is becoming too personal and seems that hostility is being raised against me in a not very obvious way.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 06:37:36 pm »
You are the one being hostile. Comparing people to Hitler and co. is generally considered not quite nice, no? Don't switch this around to me being aggressive.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 06:53:19 pm »
And Parallo, I didn't know the Dark Empire was real and that you are a member of them in the real world.
I'm totally confused by this sentence. You are talking about the PS guild Dark Empire, aren't you?

Anyway, I recommend to anyone comparing the Dark Empire with the Nazis to retreat to a quiet cabin in the woods and think over his or her life.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 07:02:40 pm »
I just noticed that in the edit. I feel the need to respond as it is addressed to me. Firstly, if we go by your logic there is no point in comparing any PS organisation to a RL organisation. You seem inconsistant in that respect. Second, by making that comparision it seems that you think that the upholding of a tradition is equivilent to gassing jews and such. I would naturaly take offence to that as I enjoy the idea of a sense of loyalty and tradition(Non-discriminative of course) rhich is the Empire as I've explained to you time after time. As progressive as I may be in politics I still enjoy the convention of various things like formalities. So yes I take offence.
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2007, 08:28:36 pm »
@ lordraleigh: You should be better than this.  You were the one that set the hostile tone.  And you had to know that what you said would have offended some people, especially given the number of times that you said it.



actually capitalism would be unlawful evil, being a free market and all :)

In true capitalism, you are a victim to the laws of competition and social darwinism.  There may be a lack of rules and a lack of social services, but there are laws (better described as values) which have led to their absence.  Capitalism is a society determined by a faith in competition, a faith in social darwinism, and a faith in market forces.  So I think it's entirely appropriate to say that capitalism is lawful in the RPG sense.


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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2007, 03:39:14 pm »
Seems to me, if the Dark Empire was really evil, they would strive to be like the Nazis... And that comparing them to Nazis would be a positive reflection on your RPing skills...

Personally, I don't think 'evil' has a place in Yliakum - the quests are totally OOEC (helping people, etc.) and real acts of evil are banned by the PG-rating... in fact, Planeshift in general shows no support for Evil characters at all, outside of RP.

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2007, 03:54:17 pm »
Planeshift in general shows no support for Evil characters at all, outside of RP.
I can't see the support much too, but err.. you know... evil characters and RP is one and the same thing, you can't show no support for evil characters, but support their RP being evil...



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