Dark empire discussion

[Jekkar]

lordraleigh, I thought you and I talked about all of this. You said you would quit it, I am beginning to feel seriously offended by it and I am sure many of my guild mates as well.
If your character has something against DE then take care of that problem in-game and don't take it to the boards.

[lordraleigh]

lordraleigh, I thought you and I talked about all of this. You said you would quit it, I am beginning to feel seriously offended by it and I am sure many of my guild mates as well.
If your character has something against DE then take care of that problem in-game and don't take it to the boards.

I wanted this thread to die as it met Godwins Law twice, and is emptied of reason to continue, but others don't.
I talked about you after this thread Jekkar, and it never was my intention to have all those things as an offense.
I erased the references on this thread, some people just like to pull it over for unknown reasons.
So lets throw away this thing, but thanks to one or other, it becomes difficult.

And emeraldfool, if some people get offended by such comparisons, don't pull them over again after all.

Of course, there're differences, personally I wouldn't care if I had created a fictional "evil organization" and hyperbolic unrealistic comparisons were done about it with, but I understand the tendency to take such things seriously. So I ask for the last time:

Finish this thing, it's over, it's dead, it's gone and it's past

[Parallo]

Seems to me, if the Dark Empire was really evil, they would strive to be like the Nazis... And that comparing them to Nazis would be a positive reflection on your RPing skills...

The Dark Empire is not evil. The Empire is above such meager distinctions. It's more like the second reich than the third if you must know.

[lordraleigh]

The Dark Empire is not evil. The Empire is above such meager distinctions. It's more like the second reich than the third if you must know.

Bismarck's realpolitik really fits with that.

But is the Dark Empire completely devoid of ideological politics and fully based on an amoral and realistic treatment of politics?

[Parallo]

Realpolotik wasn't actually a term coined by Bismarck. It was Ludwig Von Rauchau. But anyway, the ideology of the Empire is a trinity of Loyalty, Honour and Virtue. That, and of course a bit of ambition, will ensure an Imperialist's rise through the ranks.

[zanzibar]

Seems to me, if the Dark Empire was really evil, they would strive to be like the Nazis.

The Nazis reflect just one kind of evil, and Dwarvesbane already has that one covered.

And like others have said and continue to say, the Dark Empire is made up of roleplayers and characters who see things in more complex terms than simply "good versus evil".

[Garris Shrike]

Ya know, I have been on quite a while, and I have only seem one member of the Dark Empire. I don't really qualify them as much of a threat, and comparing them to nazis is like comparing celery to a nuke

[zanzibar]

Ya know, I have been on quite a while, and I have only seem one member of the Dark Empire. I don't really qualify them as much of a threat, and comparing them to nazis is like comparing celery to a nuke

You don't call people Nazis if they're threats.  You call them Nazis if they're bigots.

[Parallo]

Ya know, I have been on quite a while, and I have only seem one member of the Dark Empire.

Really? Have you seen members of the Imperial Trades? The Imperial Scholars? The Imperial Intellig... No you wouldn't have seen them.

I don't really qualify them as much of a threat, and comparing them to nazis is like comparing celery to a nuke

We're the opposite of a threat. We're the best thing to happen to Yliakum.

[lordraleigh]

We're the opposite of a threat. We're the best thing to happen to Yliakum.

OOC wise surely, due to the lack of longlasting RP-intensive guilds around that deal with politics.

IC-wise...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

[Parallo]

Point out to me a member that ICly does not posess honour and loyalty. Our self assesment is unbiased.

[lordraleigh]

Point out to me a member that ICly does not posess honour and loyalty. Our self assesment is unbiased.

Honour and loyalty to what? To the Empire itself regardless of anything else? To the stability and security of Yliakum? To the hidden goals of the Dark Empire(even though most of the members would be unaware of them if they exist)?

Previously it was clearly demonstrated OOCly as "Lawful Evil", so unless a whole overhaul happened over it(something that only happens when leadership shifts) I doubt about that.

The Dark Empire lacks the power level of the RW Roman Empire now, but what would they do once they managed to build up a very powerful military, several political connections and a large intelligence and covert ops network?

[Parallo]

Honour to ourselves and our fellow Yliakum denizens. Loyalty to the people that strive to create a structured enviroment that upholds this honour; The Empire.

The Dark Empire lacks the power level of the RW Roman Empire now, but what would they do once they managed to build up a very powerful military, several political connections and a large intelligence and covert ops network?

We have those.

[Nurahk]

The Dark Empire has very little to do with the Nazi's.

It is not an evil guild, we do not believe in allignment.
It has no prejudices.
It isn't run by a maniac.
It doesn't commit Genocide.

The only link is the fact that the Dark Empire is powerful and well structured.

You can have your opinion Raleigh, I don't care, you don't know about the inner happenings of the guild and so your knowledge is quite limited.

That's enough on the Dark Empire, please.  I doubt that's what this thread is about.

[lordraleigh]

The Dark Empire lacks the power level of the RW Roman Empire now, but what would they do once they managed to build up a very powerful military, several political connections and a large intelligence and covert ops network?

We have those.

Claiming your organization has the equivalent power of a Roman Empire without any fact to back it up is a little of godmodding, isn't it?
How many cities were controlled by Rome? How large is the Dark Empie army? This is a real overestimation, still the Dark Empire obviously has the potential for achieving that in the future.

The Dark Empire has very little to do with the Nazi's.

I already know that, what i said is that I doubt that taking over territories in Yliakum is off from DE's agenda for the future.

You can have your opinion Raleigh, I don't care, you don't know about the inner happenings of the guild and so your knowledge is quite limited.

Neither do I. And my opinion is that the Empire goal is absolute power, period.