The Unholy Guardians[promtional thread]

[Duraza]

If we had these thing, we wouldn't need them.
More simlpy:
You are  flying in the world of fantasy without thinking about the consequences.

Could you expand on what you mean by that? I belive you mean to say that I am going "beyond" the limits of the game but don't want to comment unless I have your meaning correct.

[Nikodemus]

Could you expand on what you mean by that? I belive you mean to say that I am going "beyond" the limits of the game but don't want to comment unless I have your meaning correct.

I mean you are going beyond logic. lordraleigh made a small hint too.

[Duraza]

yeah I figured thats what you meant.  I just didnt want to go on talking about something and realize I wasnt answering what you said.

When I made the Unholy Light teqnique I based it on the principles of the schools of Lah'ar and Esteria.  The abilities of the "blacksmith" are mainly based on those prinicples of Esteria that you can read about ingame.  It mentions things like empowering weapons, creating fire shields, etc.  All I really did was make a modifacation of what it already said to be true.  It mentioned "fire shields" so why not a weapon that would follow that same basic prinicple.  Just not nessicarrily fire.  I know that these things are not yet implemented in the game but they would be "possible."  When we rp we have to act as if the game is completed, bugless, etc.  So why should I not take full advantage of what the game says is possible regardless of whether you can see it or not. 

I mean you are going beyond logic.

Well that depends on what you mean. When I think of what you mean by "logic" I think of the logic of the real world.  Yes in our actual lives we can not simply make blades of energy and attack people. However this is a "fantasty" game. It has its own set of history and rules that would be "logical" to the characters we play.  So if you think of yourself as your character it would be logical.  Would it nessicarrily be easy to understand? No but possible? Yes.

[Parallo]

So those schools are 'unholy?'

[Duraza]

No not at all.  The schools are what they are.  The reason for the Unholy Light is because that is the name of the energy.  All I take from the schools are teqniques.  Give yourself a second to think about it.  A city is built by people who have never seen Oja or Hydlaa.  Do they nesicarrily name everything or know everything the same as we from Hydlaa do? No. Its possible to believe that while of course the city would know of people like Laanx and Talad they might not be familuar to all that we are.  Even if you are born in hydlaa can you not rp that your character knows nothing of the schools of Lah'ar and such? So its perfectly probable that when the people of the city started using these teqnques they wanted to name them.  What would they name them? Something based on how they have seen the powers used.

However I am not saying this means all Unholy Light is is another word for Lah'ar or Esteria.  Unholy Light is energy.  Just how some people rp to "shoot mana" or something along those lines. Unholy Light is in truth mental energy, kind of like what is described in Lah'ar.  The difference? It is used in different ways only taking one or 2 of the teqniques mentioned in Lah'ar [like mind control].  If this still does not come clear to you or seems kind of "out there" I would be happy to explain and break down what Unholy Light is and everything. I think that will help those that are having problems understand what I am saying.

[Parallo]

I find it hard enough to understand how those schools work. There is no explaination save a few lines. It makes sense if you work on the basis that the schools make sense and pretend they don't need explanation.

[Nikodemus]

It has its own set of history and rules that would be "logical" to the characters we play.

it is rather common principle in fantasy world that if you want to control power in some way, it is eighter temporary (one battle at most or less) or it need physical item capable of keeping the energy. <----- This is even valid for real world
You can never have the good sides of both as one and it is what you are trying to do. If I were you, i wouldn't base my ideas too much about the tiny amount of setting you find somewhere. Because it may be eighter old and not valid anymore after some thoughts or valid, but wrongly understood. And adding to this, when you are modificating this, you will most likely come with something what lacks logic.

It has its own set of history and rules that would be "logical" to the characters we play.

This logic.
Logic is always the same. While today we know more facts to base on, much more things are logical to us, than once. But in PS world, where people think like 500 years ago, but will magic, what is logical to us, wouldn't be always logical to them. Like magic is logical to mages, but none in RL.
If we knew everything, the logic would lead us always to truth absolute, but since there is infinite amount of secrets ahead of us, we will never be always right.

So no, you won't forge weapon of pure energy, which last forever, like normal weapons.

A city is built by people who have never seen Oja or Hydlaa.  Do they nesicarrily name everything or know everything the same as we from Hydlaa do? No.

you need to read the setting and seriously think about it before you start making a guild. Yliakum is too small for people to never hear about Hydlaa or Ojaveda. Maybe not be there, but everybody in Yliakum speak in similiar manner.

Its possible to believe that while of course the city would know of people like Laanx and Talad they might not be familuar to all that we are.

Priests of Laanx and Talad would make sure everyone knows about their gods. Agaian, Yliakum is too small.

[Duraza]

sorry but I still think you misunderstand what I say in some points. 

First I NEVER said the weapons last as long as real ones.  On the contray if you read what I said correctly I said it took immense amounts of energy to do it and one could not wield it for long for it would dissappear. 

Second I did not say that the actual city was buiilt by people who had never seen Hydlaa or Oja.  I used that as an example.  If you were to read the story carefully again you would notice I mentioned while the city was hidden many travelers did find and go through it. 

Third once again you fail to read what I say CAREFULLY.  I said "Its possible to believe that while of course the city would know of people like Laanx and Talad they might not be familuar to all that we are." I never said in fact that they did not but only mentioned that they did

If I failed to answer any of what you said then dont hesitate to ask.

I find it hard enough to understand how those schools work. There is no explaination save a few lines. It makes sense if you work on the basis that the schools make sense and pretend they don't need explanation.

I also agree that there is little said about the schools as a whole.  Id have to belive that it is mainly the "blacksmith" level that you are concerned about.  It is mostly based on interpretation yes.  I think when it comes to that level and how it relates with the schools the best thing to do would be for me to ask if I might be interpreting it in the wrong way or whether I may be taking it too far.

[Sangwa]

I don't find the structure (just the ranks in this case) anything original. The guild itself seems a pretty regular help everyone/against everyone guild.

[Duraza]

Depends on how you look at it.  The structure might not be "original" but I think that this particular guild opens room to a lot of different rps.  Especially with the whole concept of the rogue guardian.  However the bad side to the guild is that without an appropriate amount of numbers much of the intresting things that could be done would not work as well. 

The guild itself seems a pretty regular help everyone/against everyone guild.

The actual guild goals are still "under construction" because of 2 reasons.  I agree it does sound plain and wouldnt be very intresting.  But remember to consider the fact that while those goals are "implied" they may not be true.  This guild truely is only around to kill on person and once that is done is supposed to disband [refer to the goals mentioned] beacuse its members don't like its leader.  However what truely happens depends on what happens in the rp mentioned.  So the second reason those goals are not necessarily true is because all depends on the direction of the rp.  The main reason I made the thread was to try and put some of the ideas out and see which ones work best and which didn't.   

[Nikodemus]

First I NEVER said the weapons last as long as real ones.  On the contray if you read what I said correctly I said it took immense amounts of energy to do it and one could not wield it for long for it would dissappear. 

Thats good to hear. When you say you could forge these weapons like normal smiths, one would think the opposite. I think you said something similiar to this.
Sorry i did not read your story, but only further posts and commented on them. Well good luck, i'm too tired now. I hope your reasoning is right even if you call things in weird way. Like unholy.

I said "Its possible to believe that while of course the city they might not be familuar to all that we are."

I think this sentence is without sense. :-)

[Duraza]

I said "Its possible to believe that while of course the city they might not be familuar to all that we are."

I think this sentence is without sense. :-)

yeah for some reason I cant even think of what I was trying to say 

Thats good to hear. When you say you could forge these weapons like normal smiths, one would think the opposite. I think you said something similiar to this.
Sorry i did not read your story, but only further posts and commented on them. Well good luck, i'm too tired now. I hope your reasoning is right even if you call things in weird way. Like unholy.

Its ok.  Im pretty sure its not always the easiest thing to read the whole post and take up time trying to make sure you understand it.  Yeah I know I name a lot of things weird but the reason behind the naming makes it all make sense. 

[Sangwa]

You include very little information on what the guild is supposed to do. I don't understand why it is here for. I want to know it by reading the Topic thread alone, not by scrolling down and searching for explanations. I also want a place where I can see it. It shouldn't be included in the Ranks or History. If you can't provide easy access to information, you'll hardly convince people to actually understand what you mean.

"Unholy" also seems something very strange in this setting. Is it against Talad and Laanx? You have to consider that everything holy on PS should belong to these two, since they were the ones who walked around doing glyphs and special places.

And if I were you, I'd avoid naming too many things. You should use concepts that people know, or risk misunderstandings. Unless you actually explain your naming through a logical line of thought.

Remember guilds should be objective towards Planeshift's Setting.

[Duraza]

"Unholy" also seems something very strange in this setting. Is it against Talad and Laanx? You have to consider that everything holy on PS should belong to these two, since they were the ones who walked around doing glyphs and special places.

When I say Unholy I mean more of the definition of "sinful" or "wicked".  Not meaning something agaisnt the "holy" powers like Talad and Laanx.  Sorry for the confusion I think I owe you a clear explanation of that concept.  The reason for the odd way things are named in reference to things being "unholy" is because of the history of the people of the city.  See when they first started trying to learn how to use this "power"[refering to unholy light] they got various results.  This "power" was good because it helped create their city and those who mastered its powers became the guardians of the city.  This power was the only way for the city to protect itself.  However at the same time it was a very "wicked" and "sinful" power.  It could change the minds of others and twist them.  Those who could not control it many times went mad.  Others who could control it many times started to lust for more power.  To get get stronger some would even twist the minds of family or friends.  So the name of this "power" became unholy light [or if you think about it "wicked" light].  It brought them good and evil.  However what these people called unholy light can be known to us as just another form of mental energy [much like esp, mind control, etc.]  All Unholy light truely is is mental energy and those who are Unholy Guardians have mastered the energy of the mind.  This also intern explains the reason it was "unholy".  It could twist the minds of others because it was "mental" energy.  Hope that more clearly explains it.  Someone else was supposed to write up an explanation of what Unholy Light was but Im guessing they did not get to.   

You include very little information on what the guild is supposed to do. I don't understand why it is here for. I want to know it by reading the Topic thread alone, not by scrolling down and searching for explanations. I also want a place where I can see it. It shouldn't be included in the Ranks or History. If you can't provide easy access to information, you'll hardly convince people to actually understand what you mean.

Sorry about that as well. I realize this thread isnt very well organized and Ill make sure to fix that.  Ill make sure to either modify the 1st post with a COMPLETE explanation of the guild in total or just make a new thread.  Whichever would be better.

[Parallo]

Unholy means exactly the opposite of holy which means religious.