Buying the con

[zanzibar]

Well Chief, would you believe "in the context of the character?" I assure you I was using the terms interchangeably in this case. What I was suggesting is that someone with a predisposition to buy is easier to con than someone more skeptical.

Aside to Zanzibar: Thank you for the PM. Was I not supposed to reply, did you forget to remove your block, or is something wrong with the forum software? I made the attempt to no avail.

"In Character" is just a better way to say it.  There's less room for misunderstanding.  The forum software is fine, I forgot about the block.

Well, I once conned someone IC.
He didn't like it and /report'ed me.
Fun stuff.

I've been reported for IC behaviour more times than I can count, but it was never for actually conning anyone.  (In none of those cases was I griefing anyone.  And in none of those cases was I ever found culpable of anything.  It's just the way things work, I guess.)

[zhai]

People often have a hard time making differences between IC and OOC, we've seen it and discussed it many times before. However, there's a fine line between taking advantage IC of another person and actually ruining the fun for the player on the other side.

I guess things like taking someone's stuff because they dropped it carelessly can be justified IC but if that really bothers the player you took it from is it really worth it? I'm not saying don't do, I'm saying do it but keep it all IC. Take the stuff/money, then return it if you see this can escalate into an OOC issue, but RP that you still have it or offer the player a chance to take it back IC as well. Unless you actually care about taking advantage of people for real I don't see why you actually have to ruin someone's day.

To me, the most important thing is that everyone enjoys playing the game, be that RPing or doing whatever they like best. That usually helps me with my RP when things get blurry between IC and OOC and I've never had an OOC problem with anyone (so, it seems to work). Nobody's fun comes before that of the rest, especially when things can be agreed on concerning details like "yeah, you still got my 1m trias even though you've just returned them and my char will want payback". That way the /report command wouldn't be used unnecessarily and most importantly, RP could be encouraged.

[Under the moon]

If you are pulling a con as your character, but you are trying to trick the player behind the other character, that is an OOC con, and can leave hurt feelings. I have conned people, and have stolen from others. It was all done so that the other person knew it was a devious act, but done in a way that they did not know exactly what until it was over. Then I leave happy, and they leave happy, even though their character is left scratching his head as to what just happened.

I have also let my characters be conned once or twice, if done in a coorect RP manner. That means giving hints ooc at times.

[emeraldfool]

If you are pulling a con as your character, but you are trying to trick the player behind the other character, that is an OOC con, and can leave hurt feelings. I have conned people, and have stolen from others. It was all done so that the other person knew it was a devious act, but done in a way that they did not know exactly what until it was over. Then I leave happy, and they leave happy, even though their character is left scratching his head as to what just happened.

I have also let my characters be conned once or twice, if done in a coorect RP manner. That means giving hints ooc at times.

Yeah, just like what I said

How come everyone tries so hard not to agree with me...

[bilbous]

Well I just got conned, on the forum and not in the game. I spent twenty minutes last night composing a reply to Zanzibars PM only to have it blocked, I only wasted ten minutes composing tonight. Did you know that "save a copy" in your outbox only works if the message actually gets out? I'd say that is something wrong with the forum. Guess he just wanted to know if I'd accept PMs.

Anywho I guess there is not much more to say that is on topic although I was thinking along the lines of saying a sword of clear thought was intelligent and would give you snappy comebacks to dull conversation. Obviously not true but a story to hang a con on.

[ThomPhoenix]

If you press the back button, the text should still be on the screen.
I've seen better (Dutch, obviously) forums which output the text you wrote below an error message, so you can at least copy it out.

[zanzibar]

If you press the back button, the text should still be on the screen.
I've seen better (Dutch, obviously) forums which output the text you wrote below an error message, so you can at least copy it out.

I was just about to say that the back button would have done it.

Twenty minutes to write me a PM?  That makes no sense.  All I said was that "bilous" brings up so many results in google that I'd doubt you'd have to worry about what happens on this forum, and then I wrote back and apologized because "bilbous" has a much smaller number of results.  I don't even see how that's worth replying to.

[bilbous]

I was trying to take the opportunity to reply to issues you had raised in the quote thread of which you pm seemed to be a continuation. I am not a fast typer and was trying to choose my words carefully. No matter. In the words of a Great(?) man

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." 

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It is not a big flaw with the forum but it is a flaw that there is no draft folder or whatever. Wish I had a sword of clear thought now as I could use some snappy answers....

[zanzibar]

The quote is irrelevant since no one is trying to fool anyone - unless you're trying to fool people into thinking that someone else is trying to fool people.

[bilbous]

You left me with the erroneous impression that you would receive my PMs which I am no longer interested in sending. Now will you please comment on-topic or stop spamming my thread.

I'm gonna need a dozen of them swords to deal with this guy anyone selling? Heh heh  <-- hybrid on/off topic posting.

I'll shut up now and hope someone gets back to the topic.

[zanzibar]

If you aren't interested in sending me PMs, then what's the problem?  Anyway it was you who went off topic in your own thread so you're in no position to complain.  As before, I'll respect your request, as silly as I think it is.

[emeraldfool]

Well, ahem, I think it's unanimously agreed that my way of dropping hints IC when you plan to dupe someone - so that the player understands what's going down but the character doesn't - is the best way to go about it...

[zanzibar]

Well, ahem, I think it's unanimously agreed that my way of dropping hints IC when you plan to dupe someone - so that the player understands what's going down but the character doesn't - is the best way to go about it...

There are other ways to con people as well though.  There was one time where I had a new player deliver a dagger to someone in the tavern.  I got some friends organized and we ended up framing the poor guy for murder, using the fact he was seen with the murder weapon.  I even had my character take the dagger from him by having him put it on the table and then my character picked it up with a piece of cloth, thus his were the only fingerprints on the blade.  There was eventually a huge mob of clueless players who took it upon themselves to track this guy down vigilante style and put him on trial.  And all this without an actual crime being committed.

More recently I had people deliver packages for me and arranged for someone else to pay them for their help.  The whole deal was rather "mum's the word" and I disapeared after sending them off.  Now, if someone gave you a job like that - and paid you 5,000 trias for your time - wouldn't you be suspicious?  Wouldn't you be worried that you're involving yourself in something that's potentially of a criminal nature?

I guess this isn't conning people so much as playing them, but I'm convinced that there's ways to have fun doing illegal things in the game... the problem is that unless you're actually griefing people or robbing them, you have to play a bit of dungeon master.  But people are very willing to do jobs for you.  The hard part seems to be having fun with the follow up.  I've been toying with the idea of hooking up with the Hydlaa Law Enforcement guilds to help with just that.

[Narure]

ooh i LOVE conning people in planeshift... and the best way to do it is con them without them knowing they've been conned by you. You're happy and they are non the wiser and with the charity scam for example they think they are actualy doing good so they are happy.

[zanzibar]

ooh i LOVE conning people in planeshift... and the best way to do it is con them without them knowing they've been conned by you. You're happy and they are non the wiser and with the charity scam for example they think they are actualy doing good so they are happy.

There was a charity scam?