I am the first to admit that 'The Crooks' is a silly guild that will not likely survive long. I am not defending it, but its right to exist. I am also defending it against the pointless nitpicking going on of small details.
Sangwa, I take you as an intelligent person, but your post quoting me is entirely pointless and ungrounded in anything factual. Simply put, you are wrong. I will use the very quotes you proffered as proof.
And all you folks who talk about power, quiet yourselves before I go into a rant on how much power you all actually have, including the vaunted DE.
I take this to mean you disagree with me. The fact is, you have no true power. You can not change or effect anything in the game. You can not influence people who do not wish to be influenced, and you have no recourse against them if they ignore you. Unless you count ooc spamming of his character and forum identity, but any n00b can do that. You can not turn NPC against him. You can not change laws. You can not alter the economy, as NPCs will always continue selling their wares at the same price, despite what you do. You can not disrupt the 'natural' evolution of the player economy in any great way, of GMs will step in and stop you with claims of cheating or other some such. All in all, you are basically powerless to all but your own followers, and the greatest punishment you can give them is a simple kick from you guild, and the loss of 'power' that comes with it.
I understand power, and guilds simply do not have it. A guild can come and go, and nothing would change. The DE could vanish tomorrow, and nothing would change. Munkii's guild could gain a great many players who are actually good at RP, and still, nothing would change. Until all this changes, and guilds do have actual power to change things in the game, do not assume any guild -including the DE- is more powerful than the next. You simply aren’t.
Now, point out to me exactly where is states in there that this person -or a politician for that matter- is an actual member of the government.
and..
A Politician - Our representatives in the government
You sir, are mincing words, and only taking the meanings that you wish out of them. Yes, it could mean that his contact in the government is one of its leaders. And, I would like you to point out exactly where that would be out of line with the settings. I assume you have read the Settings? If not, I have another quote at ready:
Vigesimi normally come from the Craft Guilds of each level, and their position is hereditary. Nevertheless is not too rare to find some high citizens that are elected thanks to people acclamation, taking place of Vigesimi that are dead, that are judged inept or that are found to be guilty of thievery
Let me parse that for you. 'Normally', this means most of the time, not always. That is defiantly backed up by the second part of the quote: "is not too rare to find some high citizens that are elected". By the gods, being in the government does not require you to be in a guild at all? No, you do not have to be. Nor do you have to be leader of a guild, as some have been putting forth. Quote to me in that statement where it says "guild leaders". Hmmm. Nowhere. They come from the craft guilds, period. That could mean anybody from guild leader to new apprentice. You being in the DE should very well know the most powerful people in an organization will often use an in-between in relations to others. Would the leader of the DE step forth to be a part of the government, or send one of his lackies? Does a rich and powerful businessman drop his business to go into politics, or would he support someone from beneath him that he can trust? Uh hu. My point exactly.
The rest of that quote explains itself, and actually gives credibility to Munkii's claim. If there have been people tossed out of the government because of unlawful behavior, that means there has to be that type of person in the government in the first place, and likely still is. So Munkii has every right to lay claim that one of them might have ties to the Crooks, sad as it is.
Again, since you missed in your first reading, I will once again define politician:
# a leader engaged in civil administration (yes, this would have to be a member of the government)
# a person active in party politics (
Nope, no actual government position here)
# a schemer who tries to gain advantage in an organization in sly or underhanded ways (
Bingo! We have Munkii's kind of man)
Now to dissect the actual phrasing. 'representitive'. There is no such job in the government of PS, so that can not be taken t face value. You must then look to the definition of the word.
# a person who represents others
If a person is working in the government, and is representing Munkii (silly as it seems) then yes, that is a representative, despite the job title.
'in the government'
A government is a complicated creature, and there are -thousands- of ways to be in it, without -leading- it. Example: Joe is a janitor in the DE. Joe represents janitors. Therefore, other janitors can, in fact, claim that Joe is their representative in the DE.
I would also like to point out at this time that this is the name of a guild rank, not an actual job title. Gangs (as I see this as) often give grandiose names to their member positions. He could have called the rank 'King' instead of Politician, and you still would have nothing to say against it. In RL, I am member of a small literary club. The leader is called the Queen. I am the Mayor of the Spinning Head, even though I do nothing remotely mayor-like, nor have a spinning head. A guild rank is nothing more than a name. Deal with it.
As to you folks who are ridiculing this and other guilds for just wanting to have fun, this IS a game. Guilds don't really DO anything. In fact, guilds are nothing more than expensive (in terms of tria) chatrooms filled to the brim with mostly ooc chatter.
I am amazed that Munkii is still trying to do this with all the negativity directed at him. You folks should know better by now. He is trying, despite what may seem a bit of a silly premise (as he admits himself).
Now, you want to continue mincing words with me, you had better start bringing facts to the table. 'Opinions' don't cut it.
