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steuben

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sunrise?
« on: February 23, 2007, 05:20:45 am »
okay kiddies, it is time to coin a new word for players everywhere.

sunrise, really doesn't exsist in yliakium. since, well the sun doesn't move, it can't rise. and well the wax and wane of the sun is just too poetic for most cases.

dawn is a good standby, but really there should be a few more words then just that to describe it.

any suggestions?

and if you are feeling particularly ambiscious maybe words for noon and midnight as well.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2007, 05:23:13 am by steuben »
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hardly because the shadow built the lexx.
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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2007, 05:38:21 am »

Sunrise: Azure's-morn

Midday: Azure's-crest

Sunset: Azure's-eve
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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2007, 09:53:16 am »
This is a medieval world.  We could look into some Old English words for light, day, brightness, luminous, darkness, dimness, and so on.  I've only made my answer upon actually sitting down on a grassy hill outside of Hydlaa waiting for the days to pass, soaking in all of the beauty of the brightness and dimness of this level of Yliakum. Ive like the ideas of morn and eve. Morn is relates beautifully with the Old English language and so does eve.  Lets look at this question from a commoner's view.. how will what we call this affect the social aspects of the daily life?  Morn would be great for a time of the day. It has the use of when to wake up, when to start a new, and when to eat our first meal.  However Morn is an idea of time, not a physical scientific phenomenon.We don't commonly say "Good Sunrise" What does does our crystal do?  It radiates light.  It doesn't move. It gets brighter and dimmer.  It has a Maximum brightness and a maximum dimness.  It doesn't have a crest because it doesn't move in the sky, its always at its highest point.  Crest could be used if we chart out a brightness vs time graph and connect the dots.  It would have a crest there.  But would this world accept Crest?  I believe so. It makes

Does our Azure sun gradually get brighter and dimer, throughout the day or night?  What i have observed is that our sun dims down throughout the day after its brightest peak till its dimmest peak. There becomes an orangish glow to the land after 3 PM.

Since our sun doesn't completely diminish its light, we can't possibly say it is a new sun everyday.  We can say that it is dyeing every night and after it has rested its power, it gains strength again till it has given us all it can for that day.  Will  this idea of our sun dyeing a good thing for the rest of the people in Yliakum? Will this idea invoke fear among the masses?  Maybe lets use a better term like Recuperating. If your mother were to say to you at night, Say your prayers so that Laanx will give you a good healing.  This would associate night and healing.  Healing is a marvolus word for the dimming of our sun.

My suggestions are

RL Term   Scientific Term                             Common Phrases
Sunrise:        Azure's Becuman (becoming)         Good Morn, Morn'n to ye.

Midday:        Azure's Crown  (The highest          Good after noon (noon being an
                                         most perfect                 Old English word and meaning brightest)
                                         state)                           

Sunset:        Azure's healen (healing)                Good healen to you brother.

Midnight:      Azure's Revival  (the healing          Wow, its midnight.  (since day and night are concepts already common)
                                         is complete)                           
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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2007, 05:50:23 pm »
I don't get how it can be called the Azure Sun if it is constantly dimming and brightening, and thusly changing colours :P

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 05:58:16 pm »
Because its what makes day and night, Thing of it as a lightbulb, it stays bright, and then slowly dims. [if you have a diming switch and not just a basic light switch] And then later it comes back on again.

Azure Sun, sun being a term we use today and thus everyone can associate with. I prefer to call it the Azure Crystal, as its a litteral crystal.

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2007, 06:42:45 pm »
You can not realy define night and day, nor sunrise, nor set. The Crystal operates in two functions only: Brighten, and dimming. Waxing and Waning. The functions teminate in two points only. High and Low. Zenith and Nadir.

For this reason, the only set terms PS could have would relly on the Highest and lowest point, not the apperance and vanishing  of the sun in the morning and evening.

So, this is how they would likely see it:

PS term====Full dark-------------Midrise-----------High----------Midfall-----------Fulldark-----------etc.....
RL equiv===(Midnight)----------(morning)-------(Noon)---------(Evening)----------(midnight)-------
light level=====================================================

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 07:25:14 pm »
Zenith and Nadir. Beautiful. And I loved the terms for the hours... Thank you, UtM.

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2007, 08:26:55 pm »
and everyone would have to say "good afterhigh Harnquist."

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 08:29:11 pm »
Well, it has a good ring to it.

Afterhigh ta ye harnquist!

But then again garanot means goodnight in stonebreaker, so whats afterhigh in stonebreaker O,o

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2007, 11:16:05 pm »
Just as the term "sun" has, according to the settings, been brought from the worlds the original settlers came from eons ago, the terms "morning" and "evening", as well as "sunrise" and such will have travelled, too. Thus, if they decided to refer to the crystal as "azure sun", they will likely not even have thought of the option to call the other events differently. Not outside academic circles, anyway. Plus, the population might just as well have noticed the difference between sun and crystal well after having settled down, so the original terms would have already been applied by custom.
Thus, I don't think that such artificial words would actually have appeared except, as said, in academic circles, used only when one wishes to appear knowledgeable. Maybe for sunrise and sunset, but not morning and evening and such, as they don't depend on moving properties of the source of light.
AFAICS, "zenith" and "nadir" also are terms referring to physical angles (and thus the Azure Sun is always in the zenith), so they, too, wouldn't be usable given this strict definition.

UtM's proposal seems to rely even more on motion than the RL counterparts:
PS term====Full dark (OK)-------------Midrise (rise=motion)-----------High(motion)----------Midfall(falling=motion)-----------Fulldark-----------etc.....

However, the setting says that the crystal doesn't go completely dark at all, so "fulldark" technically isn't correct, either.

It is likely that the terms "sunrise" and "sunset" would either assume the general meaning of "morning" and "evening", or vanish completely, having lost their definition, possibly replaced by "daybreak" and "nightfall" (both marking a time at which light has reached a certain treshold, thus changing with season).

Midnight->Daybreak->Midday(changing meaning to "noon")->Nightfall->Midnight

Or, more artificially (stuff in parenthesis is optional in everyday use):
Mid(d)ark->(morning/early) Halflight->Ful(l(l))ight->(evening/late) Halflight->Mid(d)ark
Though "Halflight" sounds a bit like "Halflife". "Nolight" sounds stupid. ;)

Anyway, I don't think additional terms would have been created.

Edit: one thing about light color: The different color of the sun's light stems from the different distance it travels through the atmosphere at the different times. This is not the case in PS, therefore the crystal's light will vary in intensity but not necessarily in color (unless it passes the light from the surface unaltered, and then only if the surface has an atmosphere).
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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2007, 11:19:51 pm »
I took midrise to mean that it was halfway through rising to its full brightness and Fulldark as the darkest the crystal got.

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2007, 11:28:03 pm »
I took midrise to mean that it was halfway through rising to its full brightness and Fulldark as the darkest the crystal got.
Aye, this certainly was the intent. However, if we are seeking to remove the notion of motion solely for the sake of being scientifically correct instead of relying on laymen, then we should not use terms that have a motion association, or aren't precise.

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2007, 11:33:40 pm »
Why not?

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2007, 11:49:20 pm »
Because the idea behind the OP was that the Yliaki would have had some incentive to create alternative expression. The existing expressions would have sufficed, and most of the population certainly couldn't care less, and instead focus on more important matters like getting food for the next day.
So there must be one of two reasons:
1) a self-important politician wanted to leave a mark in history, nevermind how stupid, or
2) the scientific community decided to coin new phrases for new circumstances, and have these officially used, for precision's sake

IF we are going to use option 1, then obviously all bets and reasoning are off. If using option 2, though, then scientific precision is key. The OP seems to follow option 2, so that's what I'm basing things on.

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Re: sunrise?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2007, 11:52:03 pm »
But the settings say that its the races that remember the above ground that call it the azure sun. Everyone else calls it the crystal so it seems fair enough that they would come up with diffenrent terms for its phases.