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Re: What happened on the moon [!]
« Reply #75 on: February 25, 2007, 03:23:19 am »
Second, I actually did not read any replies in this thread since the last time I posted. I will explain why.

No need to explain:  The reason is that you're a fanatic who doesn't care about the truth if it happens to contradict what you WANT to be true.
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Re: What happened on the moon [!]
« Reply #76 on: February 25, 2007, 03:27:26 am »

Remember, always keep an open mind!


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By all means, lets be open minded, just not so open minded that our brains fall out.

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #77 on: February 25, 2007, 03:33:23 am »
Too bad you did not read any of the following posts. They give you all the opposing arguments that you asked for, from people who did look at the video like you asked.

Despite what you may think, the average number of people who believe this is less then 7%. That is a fact. You want people to believe you, despite all the info they have found to the contrary. Then you assume just because most of the people posting here do not believe it, that the 'smart' ones who ate it all up are just keeping silent. That is an ignorant opinion.

In closing, I guaranty I have a higher intelligence level than you, and I do not mean that as an insult. I also say I have no fear of any kind of knowledge, but I have a great fear of ignorance. I have looked at both sides. Have you?

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #78 on: February 25, 2007, 04:04:15 am »
Considering people have studied and are still studying the composition of moon dust brought back and using the results for practical purposes today, I very much doubt that we didn't land there. Otherwise we'd be producing research and results on non-existent material and that would be kinda weird. I suppose in 50 years people will disbelieve that we have a moon base and that we've landed on Mars too. Luckily this has no effect on anyone else.

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #79 on: February 25, 2007, 04:05:36 am »
i have been a vioce in the wilderness
my words carried in the howls of the winds
many came to hear my sounds
and found only my echos in the hollows

and such is the cry...
those who don't change their view have closed their mind
the evidence biased forever against.

and the winds howl in the hollows.
may laanx frighten the shadow from my path.
hardly because the shadow built the lexx.
the shadow will frighten laanx from my path.

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #80 on: February 25, 2007, 04:48:04 am »
I have a really bad feeling that this whole process will get me agitated and frustrated with you, but I'm willing to give it a try.

Second, I actually did not read any replies in this thread since the last time I posted.

Remember, always keep an open mind!

AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!                            
(and I was wondering why I didn't get into more of these threads)




OK, I realize that this is probably a waste of breath (err, key strokes), but:

Vulcas,
If you read this, would you please do me the common courtesy of replying to my (and the others') posts.


ps.
Idoru and LARAGORN,
I'm still up for the debate.  The two of you have gotten me to read a lot of interesting links today.
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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #81 on: February 25, 2007, 05:49:55 am »
***edit***  got it!  Here is Apollo 11 landing. Dust is clearly flying http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11Landing.mov    


With the amount of dust in that footage, I find it a stretch that none at all would find its way to the landing feet.

No rover tracks?  try this link http://www.clavius.org/rover2.html
Follow a few of his links and you can get more pictures of the same rover at the same time.  I buy the explanation.

If you look at the photos in the link I posted of the same setting again; it shows the front tire with footprints right behind it, clear and visible, but the rover tracks are not. Even in the second photo when the rover is moved forward, be it only a few inches, it leaves no tracks.


Simply put, the men are digging their footprints into the packed dust.

Now we move to the rover. It has four tires, meaning four points to rest on. The movement of the rover is caused by the rotation of these tires, not the individual placement of each. I would wager anything this was intended to reduce the tossing of dust from the treads onto the equipment. Why? That is what I would do. Also, the tires are rolling across the surface of the dust with very little pressure on each tire, which is the opposite of what the men are doing. (remember, they are digging in with each step)


UTM I appreciate your attempt to use logic in this instance, but your logic is flawed.

Lets take a look at the rovers metal tires, they only have a surface contact of 2-3 inches(perhaps more in thicker dust) much like any ridged rubber tire. This gives a small area to distribute the weight of the rover and all its equipment, and the two passengers. The mens boots are 8 to 12 inches depending on the individual foot size, which gives them a larger area to distribute the weight. With this in mind, each of the rovers tires are carrying roughly twice the load of the mens boots. (2 men, the rover and equipment divide by 4)


There is no air on the moon, so dust can not be blown around.

Hmm. Can't figure that out yourself? Let me put it another way. The tires pick up dust, then toss it back into their exact tracks, partially filling them. Do not forget to take into account the rovers make shallow tracks in the first place.

Hmmm which is it? Can dust be thrown back in the tracks or not? It is funny when people contradict themselves when being derogatory.

This photo shows the exact same area with clear tracks.

You can clearly see dust being thrown about by the rover in other footage, and when fishtailing even more so. The slower they go the less is disturbed, in the photo of discussion there is no indication the rover was traveling at full speed when it stopped. There would have been evidence if they slammed on the brakes.

The claims about the moon being solid rock are just completely bunk for anyone that knows anything about geology and the formation of rock.

I don’t think anyone here stated the moon was solid rock. The mass of the moon may very well be, I have no idea what the inner area of the moon is comprised of. I do know that the lunar surface is covered with dust and debris from millions of meteor impacts.


On a personal note; the reason this interest me is the inconsistencies in the information NASA has released, and the path the space program is taking now. Did man go to the moon? I don’t know. I do question the evidence put forth and the explanations of some of the questions raised. I do not simply accept thing because I am told to, I question things that don’t add up and search for answers.

I will end with one of my favorite quotes;

‘All great truthes begin as blasphemies’ - Shaw

Have a good night 

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #82 on: February 25, 2007, 06:09:30 pm »
I did not contradict myself. I clearly explained why the rover tracks do not show up well. I will further point out that the men were going around the rover kicking up dust, as is clearly shown in the videos. They spent a good bit of time running around the rover, as shown by the number and depth of the tracks. So, don't you think it a little presumptuous to think that the men themselves did not obliterate most of the tracks themselves by all that shuffling and kicking up dust? I did not contradict myself, and I am not wrong. You gave the proof of this yourself:
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"it shows the front tire with footprints right behind it, clear and visible,"
Oh? And those footprints did not kick up any dust, I suppose? Fill yourself a sandbox with fine dust and roll a tire through it. Now, walk around in the dust for a bit, making sure you kick up the same amount of dust as the men's boots did. Now take a picture of it with ultra bright (blinding) spotlights on it. When done, report to me how much of the tire track shows.

As to this set of photos http://www.aulis.com/jackimages/15lemplustracks.jpg, once again, you are proving yourself wrong with your own evidence. The lighting is different -because- the photos were taken at diferent times of the lunar day. Look at the index marks on the photos. If is self explanitory. Now as to why the track do show up in the second picture. Exposure, exposure, EXPOSURE! The sun is shining at a different angle, so the exposure is NOT the same in the two pictures. Add into that the posprodution color corection to show what is being featured, and you get low exposure on the -white- suit of the astronaut in the first photo, and a higher exposure of just the -dark gray- of the landscape. If you are focusing on just the landscape for your exposure and light settings, OF COURSE you are going to see more details. If the picture of the astronaut would have been taken with the same exposure, then the tire tracks may have shown up (angle of light in time of day still aplies) but the man himself would have been nothing but a super-bright washout in the photo, perhaps ruining the entire piece of film.

And no, you are completely and totally wrong about what dust would land on the lander. I will show you why.

This is a thruster on earth:


Note how the thrust pushes against the air, forming vortexes (little swirly things) that would carry the dust up onto the lander. The dust can curve back up and land on the lander.

This is the thruster on the moon:


There is no air to push on, so the only vortexes created are in the plume itself. This means there can NOT BE a dust cloud, as there is nothing holding the dust near the lander. It is all pushed away.

Now to your theory on there being no dust on the landing feet. Simply put, there is dust, just in such a minor amount that you can not see it. Dust is not glue. Some may stick, but not all. Add into that the low exposure in the film, and the lander will stay looking fresh and clean.

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #83 on: February 25, 2007, 06:38:37 pm »
UTM,

Those diagrams are pretty much what I've been looking for, thanks! (did you draw them or find them?)


LARAGORN,

On the moon there are no dust clouds created.  You will notice in the landing video, all of the dust is being blown straight out, each particle following it's own perfect ballistic trajectory.  There is no dust cloud created to settle back down on the lander.

As for the no tracks, I still believe that the tracks were obliterated by the astronauts moving around the rover.  Those pictures were taken when the astronauts were making repairs to the rover, and their shuffling steps moved alot of dust around.

Here is the full picture of one of your pictures claiming no tracks.  You can see the tracks curving up behind the rover, where it pulled up, as well as more tracks off to the right of the picture. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/AS15-86-11603HR.jpg
You can also see all of the disturbed ground around the rover where the astronauts have been walking around.
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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #84 on: February 25, 2007, 06:49:14 pm »
Considering people have studied and are still studying the composition of moon dust brought back and using the results for practical purposes today, I very much doubt that we didn't land there. Otherwise we'd be producing research and results on non-existent material and that would be kinda weird. I suppose in 50 years people will disbelieve that we have a moon base and that we've landed on Mars too. Luckily this has no effect on anyone else.

Several years of false studies to try to make people think US reached the moon? Well that would be really far-fetched. I think this discussion is over.

Now about mars and a moon base. I suppose that "investing" in Middle East is more important than investing in NASA. Still there are corporations and other countries more interested on exploring the space than on ransacking oil.

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #85 on: February 25, 2007, 06:50:20 pm »
I like how the same people who say we didn't land on the moon are the people who say NASA has secret bases on Mars.
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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #86 on: February 25, 2007, 07:10:19 pm »
I just laughed out loud when reading this thread.
That Vulcas guy is so stereotypical, he zealously relies on that silly movie and when a number of people start to explain why the video is wrong, he quickly leaves!

Anyway, why is everyone so obsessed with the darn landing or the trip through the radiation belts?
The trip to the moon was observed by hunderds of thousands of countries, scientists and amateurs.
What do they say to us? It's true, we did go to the moon.

Funny thing is, people like Vulcas cannot be argued with. He tells people to keep an open mind, but he has a very closed mind of his own.
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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #87 on: February 25, 2007, 07:17:52 pm »
I just laughed out loud when reading this thread.
That Vulcas guy is so sterotypical, he zealously relies on that silly movie and when a number of people start to explain why the video is wrong, he quickly leaves!

Anyway, why is everyone so obsessed with the darn landing or the trip through the radiation belts?
The trip to the moon was observed by hunderds of thousands of countries, scientists and amateurs.
What do they say to us? It's true, we did go to the moon.

Funny thing is, people like Vulcas cannot be argued with. He tells people to keep an open mind, but he has a very closed mind of his own.

As I said before. This thread is over, now time to move to another. Here are some topics that could be discussed more or less on the same line(Highlighted are the more interesting in my opinion):

-Illuminati/NWO
-09/11 Conspiracy - Pearl Harbor paralell
-Majestic 12
-Operation Northwoods
-Patriot Acts - Hints of a planned Police State?
-Google and China
-Echelon (This thread was just spotted by it as Echelon is one of the keywords, "conspiracy" is other  :P)
-Is AIDS a man-made virus?

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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #88 on: February 25, 2007, 07:26:03 pm »
Sorry, mister, but, but, I don't like conspiracy theories :'(
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Re: What happened on the moon [major update]
« Reply #89 on: February 25, 2007, 07:26:58 pm »
Actualy i think you do and its a big cover up for somthing or other.