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lordraleigh

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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #60 on: February 26, 2007, 07:38:05 pm »
I think it's obvious my point that moderation is enoughly strict for its goals.

Acting like if not understanding something is an old tactic.

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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #61 on: February 26, 2007, 07:40:53 pm »
I think it's obvious my point that moderation is enoughly strict for its goals.

Acting like if not understanding something is an old tactic.

I sincerely misunderstood your post.  It seemed like you were saying that there is a problem, and that I'm a part of the problem, but since I'm a part of the problem I'm not allowed to talk about the problem or suggest a solution.
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #62 on: February 26, 2007, 08:00:25 pm »
So what you're saying is.. we should be stricter and ban/suspend people who troll/flame/attack others etc. right? So you're requesting us to ban you. I'll ask Venge later :P

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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2007, 08:04:12 pm »
So what you're saying is.. we should be stricter and ban/suspend people who troll/flame/attack others etc. right? So you're requesting us to ban you. I'll ask Venge later :P

The trouble I get in is from responding to trolls, not from me trolling.  You're free to send me a PM with examples of posts where I'm guilty of actual trolling.


Edit:  It's a sincere challenge.  Xordan, if you can find a post proving that I should be banned from the forum, send me a PM with a link to the post.  It's funny, because I know for a fact that Vengeance has looked for reasons to ban me - but I'm still here.  It's the same story in game.  I haven't been banned from in-game because I don't break rules or do anything ban-worthy.  And yet I still encounter snide little comments like the one you just made.
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #64 on: February 26, 2007, 08:10:35 pm »
I think you'll sooner or later try to make a point and "prove" it to attempt becoming the next "Planeshift Jesus". Or perhaps bring other people to their worst to "prove" it.

Moderator staff will simply take action for such serious cases.

And as you said, ironically:

*cough* Eid *cough*

Now I'll return to the first thread here:

This forum has gone downhill since I started posting on it almost two years ago.  A "blame the victim" mentality has always been common among the GM team and PS staff, but lately I've seen a lot of people get away with posting things that I would personally suspend their posting privileges for.  Here's a good example:

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Why isn't this in the complaint department with all the other useless whining amongst the useful criticisms?  As for the gist of the thread it appears there is more than enough blame to go for all the participants.

That was not a so bad post, you are clearly biased again, here is an example of such really nasty posts:

In other words, you have your head up your rear end and you can't stand to leave a thread untouched by spam.

And there are many others I don't think I need to show as most already knows

This was posted to a thread where everyone was being polite, constructive, on topic, and helpful.  The post added nothing to the discussion.  It insulted everyone participating in the discussion as a "useless whiner".  It ignored the facts and gave blame to the blameless for the sole purpose of causing trouble.

Not only was this post left untouched, but the complaints about that post were deleted!

Just an inconsistency, not a lack of strictness

I've visited a lot of forums in my time.  Some of those forums were almost completely unmoderated, but those forums didn't have nearly as many problem posters as this forum does.  Other forums were moderated by fascism, where one poorly written post could get your account banned.  Moderators would even edit posts to insult the problem posters.  An example:


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the new duel system sucks ur all idiots

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I don't know how to do a search.


That kind of thing gets people behaving themselves in a hurry.

That kind of thing gets many people to have thoughts like: Moderators/Admins/Devs are  :@#\
And incites hatred.

In summary:

Planeshift, you're losing your forum just as you're losing your game.  The moderators are very well intentioned but unfortunately ineffective at stopping problem posters from doing their thing.  A moderator like AendarCallenlasse might not make friends, but he gets stuff done and he keeps the forums clean.  And why would you want to be friends with trolls?  They eat innocent goats.

You are looking like @Datruth(On the meaning of his forum name) - the "Owner of Truth". Planeshift isn't falling apart. Moderators are not innefective, just see the amount of locked/edited/deleted threads around. And this one could be easily classified as a "problem thread" as well.

Yes, I'm one of those problem posters at times, and that's proof that things need to change around here!  I post what's on my mind because I i. Have no investment in the planeshift community and ii.  Have no official relationship with the Planeshift project.  I can turn my behaviour on and off like a lightbulb, and if you're in a fight with me (especially on IRC), it's probably because I'm playing with you.  But don't ignore the problem just because you dislike me personally and I happen to be the one speaking up about it.  If you do, then that makes you a fool.

That will inevitably make people wonder about the real motivations behind your complaint. I see it as some kind of 
"Screw everything to prove my point on these forums as I am always right"

So what you're saying is.. we should be stricter and ban/suspend people who troll/flame/attack others etc. right? So you're requesting us to ban you. I'll ask Venge later :P

It will be a great day for Planeshift forums!

The trouble I get in is from responding to trolls, not from me trolling.  You're free to send me a PM with examples of posts where I'm guilty of actual trolling.

I have lots of them, and I just put one here to show that this thread is a hypocrisy. You can't deny the past(Good thing people can't delete their posts).

Also this thread itself could be classified as trolling.

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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2007, 08:13:12 pm »
It will be a great day for Planeshift forums!


I think maybe someone should look at what he himself is posting before passing judgement on others.
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2007, 08:13:45 pm »
lordraleigh, the trolling I see is coming from you.  If we took out all the personal attacks, I think your post count would be cut in half.

You gave me a list of things to respond to.  I responded to everything on your list.  What more do you want?
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2007, 08:27:03 pm »
It will be a great day for Planeshift forums!


I think maybe someone should look at what he himself is posting before passing judgement on others.

I dislike certain attitudes and usually am not willing to hide my disgust on them, one of these attitudes being hypocrisy, still I try to be as polite as possible when mentioning them. I think this comment is pretty flawed as well. My harsher posts are directed at flamers and trollers, specially on those of them who deny the truth.

I don't think that answering to a troll is trolling. Once the climate here gets better, I will calm down on such things.

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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2007, 08:28:41 pm »
You said the forums would be better without him. That's pretty harsh isn't it? I think you should at least tone it down a bit and talk like an adult.
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2007, 08:28:46 pm »
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Once the climate here gets better, I will calm down on such things.
Seriously, the only persons creating that "trolling atmosphere" here are you two :P
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #70 on: February 26, 2007, 08:37:33 pm »
@lordraleigh:  Your skills at being polite are most lacking!  The fact that you see yourself as someone who fights trolls is also a bit hypocritical.

You keep saying that the forums are fine, but your behaviour proves that things are too loose.  People should not be able to get away with posts like yours.
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #71 on: February 26, 2007, 08:42:06 pm »
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Once the climate here gets better, I will calm down on such things.
Seriously, the only persons creating that "trolling atmosphere" here are you two :P

Lately I can't help but sometimes bite some "flame baits" around, but if there was nobody the cast the flame bait, there would be no "trolling atmosphere". Although it won't matter what I do from the PoV of a troll. If I don't get the bait "He is a weakling and can't argue". If I get the bait "Another senseless and pointless argument". But it is clearly useless to continue insisting on the reason moderation is enough or on the reason removing duels won't fix the problem.

You said the forums would be better without him. That's pretty harsh isn't it? I think you should at least tone it down a bit and talk like an adult.

Just a kept message for the comments I and others received from him in the past, that are harsher and with some pretty offensive words.

@zanzibar: Yes blame on the victim of the troll instead of the troll himself!

I won't make any more comments, it's clear you wish to push someone as a scapegoat to justify your claims.

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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #72 on: February 26, 2007, 08:52:41 pm »
Since no one else is staying on topic...

@lordraleigh:  How are you the victim?  You came into my thread and started insulting me.  I'm not trying to get anyone's sympathy, but if there's a victim here, it isn't you.

And no, I don't think anyone's accusing you of being unable to argue.
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Re: Moderation isn't strict enough.
« Reply #73 on: February 26, 2007, 09:56:12 pm »
Consider wish for iron fist granted. I've decided that this thread has gone on for far too long and shouldn't be used anymore.
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