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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2007, 07:19:29 pm »
There's much more behind it, who knows? The invasion against Pearl Harbor was known but still nothing was done to stop it as a pretext was needed for US to enter in full-fledged war with Japan as their spheres of influence were in competition.

There's a theory that Pearl Harbour was allowed to take place by the US government at the time because they knew they needed something to gain public support to join WW2. If that's the case, then it's probably the best decision in US history :) 

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2007, 07:23:56 pm »
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There's much more behind it, who knows? The invasion against Pearl Harbor was known but still nothing was done to stop it as a pretext was needed for US to enter in full-fledged war with Japan as their spheres of influence were in competition.

There's a theory that Pearl Harbour was allowed to take place by the US government at the time because they knew they needed something to gain public support to join WW2. If that's the case, then it's probably the best decision in US history :) 

The 2,335 military and 68 civilians killed on the attack agree fully with that.

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2007, 07:35:25 pm »
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There's much more behind it, who knows? The invasion against Pearl Harbor was known but still nothing was done to stop it as a pretext was needed for US to enter in full-fledged war with Japan as their spheres of influence were in competition.

There's a theory that Pearl Harbour was allowed to take place by the US government at the time because they knew they needed something to gain public support to join WW2. If that's the case, then it's probably the best decision in US history :) 

The 2,335 military and 68 civilians killed on the attack agree fully with that.

The millions that weren't killed because the Nazi's were stopped do ;)

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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2007, 07:45:55 pm »
US saved the day and all the other forces were insignificant for the victory in WW2?

Tell me other one.

The Europeans eat the lead and the Americans become the heroes?

People should not base their conclusions about WW2 on cheap biased Hollywood Movies and other materials that glorify US Army.

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2007, 07:49:59 pm »
US saved the day and all the other forces were insignificant for the victory in WW2?

Tell me other one.

The Europeans eat the lead and the Americans become the heroes?

People should not base their conclusions about WW2 on cheap biased Hollywood Movies and other materials that glorify US Army.


It is more or less true though.  The Nazis might not have won the war, but they would have undoubtably conquered Europe if it weren't for the US joining the war.  They would still be left with Russia and China to contend with though.

Now, if the USA had joined the war in 1939 instead of early 1942 (December of 1941)...


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« Reply #50 on: March 04, 2007, 07:55:11 pm »
Two words: Marshall Plan

Now, if the USA had joined the war in 1939 instead of early 1942 (December of 1941)...

It wouldn't be very profitable for the war industry(among other industries) and for the interests of the U.S. on world hegemony.

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« Reply #51 on: March 04, 2007, 08:08:39 pm »
US saved the day and all the other forces were insignificant for the victory in WW2?

Tell me other one.

The Europeans eat the lead and the Americans become the heroes?

People should not base their conclusions about WW2 on cheap biased Hollywood Movies and other materials that glorify US Army.

I don't think I said that, or even inferred it. It's pretty much fact that if the USA hadn't joined in when it did, Europe would have been completely conquered. Once Britain would have fallen (which it would have given another year) there would have been nowhere for the USA to land to help out if it had wanted to, leaving Asia and Africa to have been taken too. After which the attention would have turned to the Americas, which would have been completely overpowered.

Anyway, I suppose it is possible that the same thing (if it did happen for PH) happened at 9/11... the gov just let it happen, and maybe helped it along a bit too. It's hard to do much except speculate without anything really solid to go on. Things that might give it away could be 'disappearances' of people looking into it ;) or accidents.
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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #52 on: March 04, 2007, 08:49:46 pm »
Uh huh. America won World War II... ::)

The things they get away with teaching people over there... :P

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« Reply #53 on: March 04, 2007, 08:57:48 pm »
Things that might give it away could be 'disappearances' of people looking into it ;) or accidents.

This isnt exactly what you are looking for but it is kinda fishy O'neal

I need to look but I know there are people who have vanished.

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #54 on: March 04, 2007, 09:41:53 pm »

This isnt exactly what you are looking for but it is kinda fishy O'neal

I need to look but I know there are people who have vanished.

What's that suggesting, the US government whacked O'Neill over the head and dragged him into the WTC so it would look like the terrorists got him?

And why is everyone's main defence always "Oh, I'm an upstanding, accomplished member of society. I would never make this up..."?

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2007, 10:37:06 pm »
hey ...

you guys should all calm down immediately ...

all these theories ... bullcrap

if I want I can make a coherence to the illuminati at once ....


11 + 9 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 23

so what ?

open your eyes and take it as what it was ...

Terrorism !

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2007, 11:19:41 pm »
I think Maddox is a sarcastic prick (right up your alleys :P), but I'm reminded of this article...

His tone annoys me, but his sense of humour always makes me laugh... (The $100 dollar bill thing is funny)

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« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2007, 02:19:29 am »
If you are going to make such claims, please elaborate on them.

I worked on a US Airforce base for about three years as a flight instructor (civilian contractor), so I know a bit about the ins and outs of the air transportation system in the US -- both military and civilian ops. I have also flown as a mission pilot with the US Civil Air Patrol. It's very easy to mis-lead the general populataion regards aviation, how planes fly, and what pilots do. After all, a good chunk of the population actually believes that an aircraft's engine has failed when the aircraft stalls.

It would be difficult for me to go into detail about every single incident that doesn't quite make sense, because there are lots, and this would become a very long post if I picked every aspect of the 9-11 flights apart. Since I don't really like making long posts, I'm going to generalise.

The complete failure of the ATC system that day puzzles me and most other pilots I've spoken to about the incident. For 9-11 to have happened the way we are told it happened means that every controller involved with the flights in question failed to follow the most basic normal and emergency operating procedures that have been set in place. It amounts to a collective tossing of the rules right out the window and saying, "Let's just.. do everything different today."

There is no way that student pilots, especially students with the rather questionable skills the supposed 9-11 perpetrators were reported to  have had, could have manuevered those planes, and flown them with such precision into the towers the way they were presented as having done. I've flown with students, lots of them. Every once in a while every flight instructor comes across a mediocre student. Every flight student in the US must eventually pass an flight test with an FAA inspector, and the reputation of the flight school rests on the quality of the students it graduates. Flight schools don't like to give up on a student, and instructors will work very diligently to get a mediocre student through the training that, frankly, most students pay alot of money for. For one of the flight schools to have let one of these men go because he just couldn't handle the tasks being set before him tells me alot. It tell me that the guy, to put it bluntly, majorly sucked as a pilot. It's impossible for me to believe that those men manuevered those planes the way they did, and flew them into the towers. Could they have programmed the on board auto-pilot to fly the planes into the towers? Maybe. But considering their rather dubious talent, and the relatively short amount of time the planes were in the air,  I don't think they did.

The flight that bothers me the most is the one crashed into the pentagon building. I've seen a couple of crash sites, and frankly, the physical crash site at the pentagon did not jive with what we are told happened.

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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2007, 04:26:34 am »
That reminds me that indeed that was a point aswell, thhe major impossibility of planes chrashing into the buildings like that becuase of impossible angles and such. Also taken from the dutch analyzes afterwards I saw them put simple students from a university who knew little of flying in a flight simulator and see how close they would come with the training that we know for a fact the terrorists had. They didn't manage to hit the buildings everytime, but that claims that it's impossible are simply not true.

I mean look at how big the buildings are compared to a landingstrip. Why would it be that hard to hit those buildings in the first place when they are already trained to land on a landingstrip?

Also that one of the terrorists wasn't exelling at training proves what? That he wasn't the one flying most likely. It wasn't one terrorist per plane mind you only one needs to be good enough to steer the plane.

Personally I can see something in the "They didn't stop it" theory, but the "They did it" theory in my eyes has lost it's credibility completely becuase of people claiming things a simple simulator can proof false.
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Re: 9/11 re-opened
« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2007, 05:51:45 am »
I don't know all the answers.  The thing is, all of these theories and ideas don't count for much in the end.  There are more immediate and more humane questions that should be asked.

But those questions have obvious answers.  It's the difference between love and suffering.  It's the difference between right and wrong.

What makes today so heartbreaking is the fact that given the choice, many people have chosen violence, suffering, exploitation, and murder.  And humanity suffers as a result.
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