Languages of the different races?

[Garile]

I think he means encouraged by making the language official setting

If one would do that I think a lot more people will atleast look at it then at this time. Specially the enki guilds will love an offical enkie language to exclude others out without even going to the OOC guildchat

[Unnamed_Source]

But even in ooc guild chat, if half the guild starts speaking in chinese, how is the other half going to feel like. Excluded?

Like i stated, if you want to have languages, that's great. It adds to the environment and RP BUT add them through IC means like text scramblers and such. Bringing them through an outside source is asking for trouble.

If enkies want an all enkie club then all enkies should be welcomed not just the one that made up a pig latin. And you will make the others feel excluded if you use that pig latin even in occasional use.

Keep it IC(in the game) is all that I'm asking.

Sorry i missed this.

Let me say something...
An in-game language is just a nice touch in your RP... you can decide if you want to use it or not.

Is not an obligation if you're an Enki, that you must use that language

If you want to use it or not is not what I am questioning, its forcing others to use it when you choose to use it is what I'm driving at. If they can't use it, and you use it enough time around them you will have essentially shunned them. and I guaranty the next time you want to RP with the PLAYER(no matter what character they are using), they will remember and give you the in game equivalent of the "bird". Think how you would feel if your friends suddenly started to use Zulu. Now being that they are fiends and you want to hang out with them, that kind of forces you to learn Zulu. What if you couldn't and they didn't switch back to english. Would you feel hurt, left out, shunned? Would you start not to consider them friends after a while. Now we may not be friends OOC but IC we both play Krans and are in the same guild, yet I speak Kran with all my guild mates and you don't and can't. In real life you as a person would start to get the feeling of being shunned and purposefully left out. That would make any person hurt and angry and thus not only your Kran but every character you have would would migrate to clans that speak english. even if it is totally opposite of what a Kran would do IC you would do it as a player. Because, unless you're a masochist, you don't come here to be hurt or feel bad. And you would do all in your power to avoid ME and my Kran speaking mates. (Now obviously I'm not speaking just about you but in general terms)

Unfortunately when you speak purposefully in another language, when there is a common language already in place, you will start spreading animosity in others. And that will lead to the splintering of the community. In this case a splintering in languages, first in RP languages and later for those in RL. Then it becomes a real lousy place to RP.

Sorry for the wind bag...

[Karyuu]

You realize it's impossible to ask players to not make up their own languages for private use, right? :]

[Garile]

Ofcourse it's not impossible to ask players that

"Please people respect your comrades and don't exclude them by using other languages then english. No matter if they are from RL or self-invented."

[Karyuu]

Isn't that already one of our rules/guidelines?

• Dialogues

IC dialogues should be used at all times, except when dealing with GMs in direct /tell.

The language is English. You may use other languages in private messages like /tell, or in guild chat. The use of in-game race specific language is acceptable - however, players should avoid using such languages for an extended period of time (e.g. having a character that only speaks "Enkidukai" and never using English is not going to work).

[Unnamed_Source]

As impossible as enforcing the english use through tells. Heck, I tell in none english every once in a while.

but the only private use is through tells. i.e. one on one.

Anything else is public. OOC or IC. If more than 2 people can see it its public.

Or am I missing another private form of in game communications?

[Garile]

I don't think one on one tells would be a problem really. We do have an ignore function asfterall, but indeed everything else is public to the extent that english requests should be honored in my opinion also concidering enkie. Not that I have seen anyone really use it besides saying hello or something small.

[Karyuu]

/guild and /group are considered private as well. If you are in a guild or a group, you are there of your own will and probably for a reason you agree with. If you don't like it, you can leave without it impacting your gaming experience. And if you join a guild but then later find that everyone speaks in Chinese, part of the fault is on you for not becoming familiar enough with the guild members and the guild itself to realize that this is a common event.

I don't understand the reason for some arguments here Pretty much the only "official" bits of race-specific languages you will come upon will be that from NPCs, and they use it extremely sparingly. As do players:

Not that I have seen anyone really use it besides saying hello or something small.

Precisely. I feel like you guys are brewing up a storm before a single scent of the rains.

[Unnamed_Source]

Which is it now?

One, because our community will realize the sheer idiocy of guilds that restrict players because they haven't "learned a language,"

But a chinese speaking guild can be formed and even though it may not ba an official to bar none chinese so as not to conflict with the rules,  the chinese guild can conduct all their guild dialog in Chinese and that fine? You know that this will exclude others and make them leave. Essantially having guilds based on languages IC, OOC.

OK. I'll see if I can stir up some of my mates and make the "No Gringos" guild. Obviously you'll know who will be EVENTUALLY  "excluded". Thanks

I feel its best to stir up a few light rains now than to the find yourself in the middle of a typhoon later on.

[Karyuu]

* Karyuu facepalms.

Guilds have to have an IC purpose. You cannot form a guild around an OOC language. You cannot have guilds based on OOC nationalities - so no German guilds, no Russian guilds, no Japanese guilds. However, guild members can speak in the /guildchat using whatever language they want. If this offends someone and they feel left out they can bring it up with their guild members, who I expect them to be on good terms with, and get it sorted out internally.

Don't jump to conclusions - just because a few people can start using Spanish in /guild doesn't mean that it's okay to have a Spanish Guild, where your only purpose is to attract Spanish players. We frown on that mightily. But if someone forms a guild that has an IC purpose and on the side they welcome Spanish players so they can get oriented with the game and get help (translations included), that's perfectly acceptable.

No storming now. I keep losing my umbrellas.

[Unnamed_Source]

You cannot have guilds based on OOC nationalities - so no German guilds, no Russian guilds, no Japanese guilds.

Oh no don't worry, there's one Spaniard, a few Mexicans a Chilean and a Colombian. Very multinational.

..., and get it sorted out internally.

No ablo ingles.. done and done.

Don't jump to conclusions - just because a few people can start using Spanish in /guild doesn't mean that it's okay to have a Spanish Guild, where your only purpose is to attract Spanish players.

OH no, we already have the one Spaniard that I know of, mostly we'll be hoping to recruit more from South and Central America. but no Brazilians, we frown on Portuguese.

But if someone forms a guild that has an IC purpose and on the side they welcome Spanish players so they can get oriented with the game and get help (translations included), that's perfectly acceptable.

Ahhhh, Yeah,.. that's the ticket... ummmm .. yes. perfectly legit.... A vigilante guild, motto: Badges?! we no need no stink'n badges!

[Karyuu]

 

Whatever, cupcake. I've explained what I thought needed explaining. If there are any further questions, feel free to post them.

[joshua6021]

Wow Someone is on the attack. People can do what ever they want my friends. And there is no way you can stop them. Sp lets not get too angry over something that is of no big agenda.

*edit*

I think you're blowing this extremely out of proportion

Some of races do have their own separate languages. There is a real Enkidukai tongue that Darkmoon, our Settings Dep leader, was working on for quite a bit. The StoneBreaker language had the most player contributions (thanks to Arka). However, the "horror scenarios" you have so eagerly laid out for us are not bound to happen. One, because our community will realize the sheer idiocy of guilds that restrict players because they haven't "learned a language," and two, because these languages are not going to be used all the time. The GMs make sure of that. If someone is using a non-English language, even if it is for example Enkidukai and thus officially belongs in the setting, for an extended amount of time and it's confusing people, they will ask the participants to switch back to English.

Therefore, you can relax.

I agree. Lets not get too over taken by an ideal that for years now has not ever taken root!

*edit*

You're reacting as though people will actually learn these in-character languages to such an extent as to have a whole series of conversations :] I don't see this happening. I see the languages being used for RP writing, to embellish announcements, for here-and-there phrases, and similar small manifestations. These RP languages are not going to take over PlaneShift - trust me, no large group of people is going to extend such an amount of time and effort as to learn a whole new tongue for a single game, on a scale that will make others feel an excluded minority.

Also, guilds based on races are usually discouraged. They do form occasionally, but look at the critiques in the Guild forum - people take a very strong stand with "You need more material," "You need to have good reasons," etc.

There are certain rules in PlaneShift, one of which is English must be the language used in public chat. Even if no GMs are online when someone launches into a non-English prose for hours, if enough reports are made about the same person (or group of people) breaking this rule, the GM team will investigate, and warnings will be given out (if not further actions).

Once again it is a great point! Do you know how long it takes to learn a language. It doesn't happen over night I promise. And to be able to learn a language that is not even developed it by far nothing to get angry over. Lets just calm down and take a breath. Thanks!

[ Please avoid making one post right after the other in the same thread. Just "Modify" your first post to add more information. Thanks! --Kary ]

[Quantus]

Aaye Myladies and Sires,

so I will try zhe use of a simple Ynnwn-dialect in public conversation (main chat) and will zee, what is happening.

[The goal is not to make the conversation more complicate zhan nesessary, but to bring some colour and race-spezific characteristics to me and the people around me. Just give it a try and collect some experience]

Yours sincerly, zhe Ynnwn Quantus

[lordraleigh]

Aaye Myladies and Sires,

so I will try zhe use of a simple Ynnwn-dialect in public conversation (main chat) and will zee, what is happening.

[The goal is not to make the conversation more complicate zhan nesessary, but to bring some colour and race-spezific characteristics to me and the people around me. Just give it a try and collect some experience]

Yours sincerly, zhe Ynnwn Quantus

Ze Good Guyz iz a guild name written in ze ynnwn dialect