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Planeshift, Roleplaying and More.
« on: March 07, 2007, 05:30:22 pm »
Planeshift is a Massive Multiplayer Roleplay Game, right?

I know you've nodded your head, or said "right", "yes." or some other affirmative expression. However, I really doubt some of you fully understand what it means. And that's why I'm here!

Now let's start with the first part: "Massive Multiplayer." That means there's a lot of people around here. But they're not just around, each by itself. They're interacting! And what's the most important thing in these situations? Social behaviour! Most of us know about this, we're used to living in a community. It's about being polite, respecting the community's rules and enjoying the company of others.

Now off to the "Roleplay Game" part! Well. There's not much humble Sangwa can tell you guys about this. You have guides and you can even look it up in the dictionary! And wikipedia. Oh, how I love good technologies. But anyway, it's all about playing a role, using your imagination and sometimes external help, like rulesets and stuff.


Say. I haven't helped you with anything yet, now have I? I should get to the point.
And the point is: we know what these seperate concepts mean. But do we know what happens when they merge!?

Taddaa!!! A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river! Or a nose bleed if you're not doing things right.
But that's it! When these two fantastic things get together you enter a game with some requirements (you need a moderatly good computer, internet connection, to be social and you need to follow the game rules) and all its advantages (endless fun, meeting nice people)!

Hmm... I'm not sure if you've grasped the depth of it. So I'll use the following two sentences to illustrate what I mean. These tell what you shouldn't do when playing with people. This way you'll know how these kind of things work.

You don't play a First Person Shooter when you feel like walking around in a park. Well, you might. But if there are people around, they'll be annoyed that you're not taking the game as seriously as they are, because you're just walking around the scenario when they're trying to get some fighting.

You don't play football when you want to play basketball. It's possible, but you'll annoy everyone else. They'll get mad at you because you're spoiling their game, always picking up the ball when you should be kicking it.


In a Massive Multiplayer Roleplaying Game you always have people around.  And you are supposed to roleplay. So it's quite normal that your guild is a roleplaying guild, that you are roleplayer, that you have roleplayed and engaged in several roleplays, that you have started roleplay plots on your own, that you participate in everyone's roleplaying and not just events and quests.
What is not normal is playing a MMORPG thinking you're allowed not to roleplay. What would be the sense of a roleplay if you didn't have to roleplay? What is not normal is that you think roleplaying is a sort of responsibility, or something you need to do or people will shout at you and think less of you, it's also not normal to think that you have these things called "roleplays" that you have to ask and join instead of a single roleplay game where everyone is requested to take part in from the second they choose to log in.

A roleplaying game is meant for you to have fun roleplaying. And the better you get at it, the more fun it becomes.

So have fun!
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Re: Planeshift, Roleplaying and More.
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2007, 05:46:31 pm »
 \\o//Bravo, Sangwa!!!! excellent post, and a point well made. All I can add in my humble opinion, is that in a MMORPG, there are good guys, and bad guys, and oftentimes one gets mad at the bad guys for the simple fact that they are doing their job. Many times I have heard of them being reported for being evil in some way, but it's part of the game. Every good MMORPG needs the conflicting sides, and without it, it would just be a walk in the park with a sniper rifle and no enemies. \\o// Good job, Sangwa.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2007, 05:49:05 pm »
At the risk of being pedantic, role playing is a kind of meaningless term. Everything you do in life can be considered playing a role. For example at work right now I am doing data entry so my role is to key in receipts to the database. It is not something I do because I want to, it is a role I have taken on in order to get paid. My role in the game is as a rockhead who remains somewhat aloof from the hurly-burly. I go around and do my thing, whatever it is that interests me at the moment, and do not get caught up in "Grande Affaires". When speaking to people I do try to remain consistent with the settings but I feel no need to specifically affect a different personality. Most of my characters might seem alike but all take into account their specific circumstances, factors of race, etc.

I hope that does not make my character objectionable.

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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 06:09:19 pm »
You still roleplay your characters' role. I'm talking about being OOC constantly and jumping IC from time to time, while you're playing. Or to better phrase it: To not roleplay most of the time and then roleplay poorly from time to time.

Garris, I agree when you say you have to accept the other person's role. As long as it makes sense. I don't agree, however, that there should be a good and evil side. Each character should have its own side, which allows them to cooperate with a certain kind of people and be hostile towards another kind of people.

EDIT: Added second paragraph + a sentence on the first.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2007, 06:12:40 pm by Sangwa »
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 06:34:03 pm »
Fair enough, I suppose if you mean standing around talking in main about the hockey game last night or the concert tomorrow. I'm sure there are better places to discuss that. As far as character goes, that is subjective. You may see your character, generically speaking, as being a mighty hero while I might see your character as cowardly bully. We may be looking at the same set of events and draw completely different conclusions. You, of course, would have the inside picture but you might not see how others are affected.

I apologize if it appears I am trying to hijack your thread, I am merely responding to what I understand you to be saying, perhaps my understanding is lacking.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 06:43:42 pm »
Well, not much to say about this topic but I will try my best to use up some of the servers storage on my useless ramblings about the subject.

I personally am no great RPer. My main Character, Idoru, is basically me, by personality, speech, and so on. I dont go out of my way to speak in some obscure dialect, claim to be a master hunter, Hero, shoe saleskran, or whatever. Now, because I dont specifically RP a role that is different to me does that make it bad RP? I'm not saying that I freely wander around chatting about, i dunno, PC monitors (im looking at one so its the 1st thing I thought of ;)), what I do is play a 'me' in this location and time, keeping within the settings.

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A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river!


Not true IMO, I freely accept that some people are scum, in RL or IC, its just how people are, and not neccessarilly scum IC and IRL at the same time. I have met 'evil' players who are fantastic people OOC but scum IC. Thats just RP.

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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 07:20:28 pm »
I prefer RP-lite.

RP-lite means that I enjoy RP because it can enhance the experience but I won't force it on others. I expect the same in return, of course. :)

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2007, 12:23:10 am »
Wait, who exactly is the target audience of this post? 'Cause it's worded like it's directed at the nappy-wearing generation :P

How is this post any different from the hundreds of others making the exact same point, except for its incredibly patronising tone? :P

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 01:57:55 am »
Fair enough, I suppose if you mean standing around talking in main about the hockey game last night or the concert tomorrow. I'm sure there are better places to discuss that. As far as character goes, that is subjective. You may see your character, generically speaking, as being a mighty hero while I might see your character as cowardly bully. We may be looking at the same set of events and draw completely different conclusions. You, of course, would have the inside picture but you might not see how others are affected.

I apologize if it appears I am trying to hijack your thread, I am merely responding to what I understand you to be saying, perhaps my understanding is lacking.

No. My understanding is lacking. Since I can't see your point.


Well, not much to say about this topic but I will try my best to use up some of the servers storage on my useless ramblings about the subject.

I personally am no great RPer. My main Character, Idoru, is basically me, by personality, speech, and so on. I dont go out of my way to speak in some obscure dialect, claim to be a master hunter, Hero, shoe saleskran, or whatever. Now, because I dont specifically RP a role that is different to me does that make it bad RP? I'm not saying that I freely wander around chatting about, i dunno, PC monitors (im looking at one so its the 1st thing I thought of ;)), what I do is play a 'me' in this location and time, keeping within the settings.

As for:

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A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river!


Not true IMO, I freely accept that some people are scum, in RL or IC, its just how people are, and not neccessarilly scum IC and IRL at the same time. I have met 'evil' players who are fantastic people OOC but scum IC. Thats just RP.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? Players have to be the least social. Or they get banned from the forums. That's what usually happens at least. It doesn't matter what characters are.


I prefer RP-lite.

RP-lite means that I enjoy RP because it can enhance the experience but I won't force it on others. I expect the same in return, of course. :)
Wait, who exactly is the target audience of this post? 'Cause it's worded like it's directed at the nappy-wearing generation :P

How is this post any different from the hundreds of others making the exact same point, except for its incredibly patronising tone? :P

Obviously people still have doubts.
In case you'd provide me a similar thread to this one I'd tell you this new one's purpose is to make things clear where others might have failed. In case you can't show me anything similar, I'll just shrug off your comment.

Either ways, I'll keep indulging myself in my entertaining quest for mutual enlightenment.

EDIT: Oh, how rude of me. Xanacru, no one needs to force other people to roleplay. They should be doing it already.
EDIT2: Fixed the wording on these last paragraphs.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2007, 02:15:43 am by Sangwa »
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2007, 02:55:15 am »
and by football he means soccer  :P ...sry had to add that in for us Americans.

Basically, LEARN THE DIFFERENCE between acting and talking IC and acting and talking OOC.  Stay IC and away from OOC as much as you can.  When using OOC chat, use [brackets]. EX:

good OOC chat:
ex1: [What level crystal way must i be to cast Healing Burst?]
ex2: [I need to go afk]

good IC chat:
ex1: Good day sir! How are you on this fine but chilly morning?
ex2: Farewell, and may the winds blow in your favour.
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2007, 03:48:06 am »
As for:

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A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river!


Not true IMO, I freely accept that some people are scum, in RL or IC, its just how people are, and not neccessarilly scum IC and IRL at the same time. I have met 'evil' players who are fantastic people OOC but scum IC. Thats just RP.

You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? Players have to be the least social. Or they get banned from the forums. That's what usually happens at least. It doesn't matter what characters are.
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One of you, Idoru, is talking about characters and the other is talking about the players.  A simple mistake.

Good OOC chat:
/tell
/group

Though, it's not like I'm perfect, I often talk in the say channel OOC.

Fair enough, I suppose if you mean standing around talking in main about the hockey game last night or the concert tomorrow. I'm sure there are better places to discuss that. As far as character goes, that is subjective. You may see your character, generically speaking, as being a mighty hero while I might see your character as cowardly bully. We may be looking at the same set of events and draw completely different conclusions. You, of course, would have the inside picture but you might not see how others are affected.

I apologize if it appears I am trying to hijack your thread, I am merely responding to what I understand you to be saying, perhaps my understanding is lacking.

No. My understanding is lacking. Since I can't see your point.


Bilbous is misunderstanding you.  Being a person is a role as well, Bilbous, Sangwa is not saying we should all be heroes or villains; just that we should all be plausible people when it comes to the setting.

Sangwa's definition of role: Person living in the setting
Bilbous' interpretation of Sangwa's definition of role: Hero/villain.

Atleast, that's what I'm getting from you two.

@Xanacru: Roleplaying is pretty much a must.  Don't have to overdo it, but, don't ignore it.  You should tell others to Roleplay.
@EmeraldFoll: You're talking about repetitive threads in this forum?  That's like finding hay in a haystack.  Atleast this one summarizes, is driven by a good point and, is an awesome reminder of how one should act.

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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2007, 03:55:54 am »
Main problem with me is people get angry at me for being bad guy in character, I got logged in the DL war for killing people. Even got cornered and yelled at for the racist "enki" thing. Its roleplay, in a game, not in real life. Ic is comepletely different thant ooc, roleplay is a must.
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2007, 03:59:29 am »
The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting.  That's all.

But, I understand what you are saying.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2007, 04:02:07 am »
The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting.  That's all.

But, I understand what you are saying.

whatcha mean?
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2007, 04:02:11 am »
Alright Im stupid and have a short attention span... So lemme get this straight... role play.... is role playing your character, viewing Yliakum through their eyes.


So why do we have all these threads about rp when its simple? :beta:


Isn't there a 'how to' role playing guide?...