Planeshift, Roleplaying and More.

[Xanacru]

It's not surprising why many are concerned with strict Role-Playing so much. No one wants to see "l337 d00dz" running around with names like "1mmag0nna Pwnj00", talking about being wasted in the main channel and calling everyone "n00bz".

People who want to avoid that usually flock to games or gaming servers that have an emphasis on Role-Playing. And that's completely understandable.

However, it also must be realized that there are some very uptight people in the Role-Playing crowd as well, who will try to report you for playing a not-so-nice character.

For example, if I am Role-Playing a character who looks like this (not necessarily my favorite type of character, it's just for example purposes)



And talks like this

Cower, brief mortal! Your pathetic human mewling matters not! Muahahaha!

No one can seriously expect me to say things like "How can I help you, dear sir?" instead.

One the other hand, if someone doesn't speak a very good English and responds to me with

I not understand. My English is not so good. Really sorry.

I won't bash them for not being an ideal Role-Player and let them be. Might even help them out, if they ask politely, and if I have some free time.

If they say

Sorry, I'm trying to figure out a quest right now

I'll simply say [no problem] and let them be.

What I'm seeing here from different opinions posted is basically that people don't want "l337 d00dz" or the uptight RP'ers, which really are just extreme examples of bad Role-Playing.

I think we basically are all in agreement here.

[zanzibar]

as a believer in the equal rights of all views

Do you believe in reason?  Do you believe in the ability of human beings to understand the world around them and to reach conclusions via proof?  If so, then you cannot believe all views are equal.

If they are not all equal, then why should they all be given equal weight in our decision making?

[bilbous]

This is a discussion forum and not a decision making forum and while the developers take our input into consideration we, the players, do not make any decisions other than whether we want to play or not and how best to utilize the resources provided to us. Some people around here assume their every thought is golden and any disagreement is spurious at best. A healthy debate takes all thoughts into consideration as even misconceptions can bring to light a new way of seeing an old issue.

As far as the tennis court analogy goes I think it would be better stated as PS is a health club, you can play tennis, squash, weight train or possibly golf. Or you can just sit in the gallery or restaurant looking at hot sweaty people.

[zanzibar]

This is a discussion forum and not a decision making forum and while the developers take our input into consideration we, the players, do not make any decisions other than whether we want to play or not and how best to utilize the resources provided to us. Some people around here assume their every thought is golden and any disagreement is spurious at best. A healthy debate takes all thoughts into consideration as even misconceptions can bring to light a new way of seeing an old issue.

I'm reading and rereading this paragraph in search for anything useful or relevant, and I simply cannot find anything.  Help me out here.

[bilbous]

Do you believe in reason?  Do you believe in the ability of human beings to understand the world around them and to reach conclusions via proof?  If so, then you cannot believe all views are equal.

If they are not all equal, then why should they all be given equal weight in our decision making?

I'm reading and rereading this paragraph in search for anything useful or relevant, and I simply cannot find anything.  Help me out here.

Fixed 

[zanzibar]

Fixed

Emeraldfool said that he values all opinions equally, however this isn't always a good idea and I was explaining to him why that's so.

Anyway, if you're going to "fix" posts, it's supposed to be entertaining.  You failed.


I encourage the mods to clean up this thread by deleting the last four posts, starting with Bilbous's and ending with this one.

[Volund]

What setting is happening? I would love to see laanx sending armies after yliakum. Since that isnt happening, the rp was there and it was interesting so it kept up the interest. Actually alot of people dont know much about the roleplay settings of the game, and in my case they logged,reported and tried to lecture me. which never worked. "There is no wrong roleplay".

Laanx created Yliakum.  Why would she send armies to destroy it?  Her people and her worshippers live there.

You do realize that Yliakum is the whole world, right?  And Hydlaa is just the one city?



If you think there is no such thing as "wrong roleplay", then you have no clue what roleplaying is.



So you were doing something wrong, and people told you to stop doing it, and you decided to keep doing it anyway?  How mature.

You misunderstood. The dermorian lords was not a wrongful roleplay in itself. What I am stating is many players consider this type of racism in game to affect people out of game. Take it as roleplay in character. . The dermorian lords, or the dwarvesbane roleplays were never in my eyes wrong roleplay. People reported me for the fact that we were kicking around enkiduai, [only roleplay]. In fact I remember a person saying I was promoting racism and slavery or something in real life. BS. For the matter quit the snide jokes on the side.

-by the way, responding to trolling only causes trolling, its cause and effect.

[zanzibar]

You misunderstood. The dermorian lords was not a wrongful roleplay in itself. What I am stating is many players consider this type of racism in game to affect people out of game. Take it as roleplay in character. . The dermorian lords, or the dwarvesbane roleplays were never in my eyes wrong roleplay. People reported me for the fact that we were kicking around enkiduai, [only roleplay]. In fact I remember a person saying I was promoting racism and slavery or something in real life. BS. For the matter quit the snide jokes on the side.

My character has an ipod.  Don't worry, it's only roleplay.

Some actions are outside the settings and as a result, disrupt the game for others.  They're a problem.  Not all roleplaying is ok.

-by the way, responding to trolling only causes trolling, its cause and effect.

Give me the ability to delete posts and I'll stop tsk tsking at the ones that don't belong.

[emeraldfool]

as a believer in the equal rights of all views

Do you believe in reason?  Do you believe in the ability of human beings to understand the world around them and to reach conclusions via proof?  If so, then you cannot believe all views are equal.

If they are not all equal, then why should they all be given equal weight in our decision making?

No, I do not believe in 'reason' as you believe it to be. Your 'proof' is another man's meaningless garble. I believe that just because another man doesn't understand, he is not necessarily at fault. He is entitled to his view, even if you - or everyone else in the world for that matter - deem it as 'wrong'.

I think we have just as much to learn from 'crazy', or 'special' people as they have from us. And I'm not talking about running tests and extracting data - I mean their outlooks on life are often far more healthy than actual "mentally healthy" people...

So yes, I believe they are equal to me.

[eldoth_terevan]

Some actions are outside the settings and as a result, disrupt the game for others.  They're a problem.  Not all roleplaying is ok.

Agreed. And I will add that cheap answers to roleplay, such as racist scenarios, have an underlying element of agression to them that no amount of casual debate is going to dispell. Comes under the heading of bringing IRL problems into PS, and attempting to mask them as roleplay.

Your 'proof' is another man's meaningless garble.

A proof is a proof. If it is garble, then either it is not a proof, or one simply refuses to believe. When we speak of reason, or scientific proof, it is not an opinion. Is light a wave or a particle? We could debate on it endlessly, but opinions do not count, only how it behaves when tested counts. There are real proofs, Em, and reason is not a matter of opinion. (This would be better in a separate thread, I think)

[Parallo]

I couldn't agree more with both those statements. People that can't come up with something that fits the settings shouldn't come up with anything. Better to keep your mouth shut than drag in things that have no place.

[bilbous]

It seems to me that any real life situation is fair game for role playing, the problem comes from trying strip it down to its underlying principle so as to fit it into the settings. In some cases it may not be possible, in others it might take months of careful preparation. That being said, this is supposed to be a family friendly game so some themes will be inappropriate at any time.

The above is proof that you can use a lot of words to say nothing much.

[Xanacru]

this is supposed to be a family friendly game so some themes will be inappropriate at any time.

Addams family might disagree. Just kidding.

[Nikodemus]

bilbous, I know you are father and want protect your children from the evil of this world and yada yada yada. But i find it damn annoying, because from one side your kids will be somewhat ok and from other side i won't have fun. You know, people don't play policeman to track and chase lollipops stealers. People are getting murdered from time to time and i want these murderers to be player characters, coz not only some people want to play them, but it's faster and better for game experience if it is not controlled by computer AI (which just can't be good enough by its definition).
I want to compete there, feel danger and consequences of loosing when I'm up to competing. And it is done by nasty tricks, which you would for sure consider bad for your children.
I'm not saying that my character would do all he evil of this world. He would in fact try to stay on the good side, but for it being enjoyable we need the really bad guys too.
In fact I don't care at all if some kids in this game would suffer from too cruel RP from time to time. If they would, maybe it would be better for them to not start playing in the first place. This also doesnt mean i don't care about chldren at all. If there is need i can play with them in monopoly or something. A game for them. But if you are worried about your kids, then don't let them play games about murder and alike (of course if you can^^) and PS is one of them.

[Idoru]

You see alot of worse things happening on the News- than you see in game. Maybe PS is a good way to introdce children to how crappy the real world can be