Show known characters only (option)

[Idoru]

Sorry it is not in crayon.

Oh man, I love that lol

[emeraldfool]

What an odd phenomenon. See, I use the default settings - with that, all names are hidden until you highlight the character with your cursor.

Guess what that means!? No blobs! Yay! Problem solved. Do I get a cookie?



(Relax. Even if I did get it all wrong, blowing up at people very very rarely has a positive impact on anything. It has an impact though...)

[Karyuu]

I stand firm by my belief that at least part of the issue would be taken care if we had less ugly labels! Honestly, no one is that blind... I don't know why we can't choose something much cleaner looking - something this size would be more than adequate.

[neko kyouran]

Metal slime huh?

King Slime:  http://www.digistash.com/data/c042f4db68f23406c6cecf84a7ebb0fe/full_291_p80474.jpeg

when spread out though.... http://www.negafox.com/other/wow_40.jpg

not so bad.

[Under the moon]

emeraldfool, no, you do not. The problem is even worse then, as you would have to go through every single person in the crowd and highlight each one. Total waste of time. Don't forget about the characters who line up with each other, or the ones that run past before you can highlight them.

I really do not see what your huge problem with this OPTION is. Re-read that again. O_P_T_I_O_N. Option. Did I mention that it is an option? What is an option? Why, it is something you do not have to use if you do not want to. 'Name and Guild' is an option. 'Name Only' is an option. 'Visible on Mouse' is an option, etc, etc. You don't want to use it? Then go to another thread, and let the folks who would like such a thing talk.

[Induane]

Easy there UtM - antagonizing back and forth goes nowhere.  Sometimes its best to ignore such posts and continue like they never happened or request a mod remove them if they are completely pointless.  Either way no one should be getting so up in arms in this thread - its a simple thread with a simple request for a simple option.  Options are nice because they allow functionality to fit differing opinions and preferences.  Nothing wrong with having options you don't like, the real question should be is there a pool of people large enough who would find this particular option useful to justify time spent adding it. 

My opinion though is that NPC's SHOULD learn your name given enough time and that shouldn't be an option, it should just happen.  As to how you remember the names of people you know ingame - up to you

[Ralleyon]

I like the idea a lot and it has a little something there that actually takes away from the game mechanics and more into how one would know someone in a real world.

Looking at the description is like taking a glance at that person and should reflect (in my opinion) something that would be plainly visible on... well... a first glance : what that person is wearing and a bit of something you recall about him/her. Selecting the "known" thingy would simply mean your choice to recognize though game mechanics the people you actually know.

Makes sense to me. Vote ++

[emeraldfool]

My opinion though is that NPC's SHOULD learn your name given enough time and that shouldn't be an option, it should just happen.  As to how you remember the names of people you know ingame - up to you

See, that's what I thought he was talking about, but it turns out he's just too lazy to sweep the cursor around the screen, like I always do and have been doing for months and never had a problem with. It takes all of ten seconds to point at each person on-screen and see their name - and usually I do that anyway to read their descriptions.

The main issue with this is, unless you know them, you'll have no idea where any new people who are talking are. Every time you want to meet someone new, you'll have to go into your options, enable all names, find the speaker in the crowd, open his description, mark him as known, then set the option back to 'known' only again, and then continue the RP. (Unless he introduces his friend and you have to do it again). Whereas I'd just point my cursor at them and match the name to the chatbox. (That flashing name/exclaimation mark idea might help, but I can see it as being very awkward for people who tend to focus more on the chatbox anyway)


Even still, I'm not saying this is a bad idea, per se - if it'll make you happy, then fine. But I really don't think your snotty attitude is necessary just because somebody doesn't like your idea. I'm getting sick of your "everything I say is law because everybody loves me and they'll all agree, so you're an idiot for thinking otherwise" rationale...

[Under the moon]

* Under the moon sighs

I am not going to say you are an idiot, but it is hard to prove otherwise when you still did not read the entire first post, or the following ones, where it clearly states you can use /known <name> to add someone to your known list. Tab complete makes that very easy. There could even be an easy button to push to toggle the 'known' on and off.

[Heyok]

Ok emerald fool, here's how you find someone new in a crowd who speaks. Have this addition allow you to see the guy's name by clicking on their name in the chat box. say noobie1234 says hi. click on his name in the chatbox (ie: noobie1234 says: hi) suddenly, you can see where he is. this way, you can easily figure out who's talking. That was a noob speaking, and that's my solution. P.S. Emeraldfool, we're not saying you can't use your mouseover technique. we're just saying we want to beable to use this. quote: "This land is my land, that land is your land, i don't take your land, 'n' you do the same to me-e-e-e, Fighting is re-e-etarded....." (sing ot the tune of: "this land is my land, this land is your land, etc)

[Induane]

Quite often I end up walking up to people and going hey - I'm Induane, who are you my friend?  It works as an introduction and asks for a name without waving my cursor around.  Plus in real life I don't have a magic wand shaped like an arrow I can hover around in front of my face that tells me who everyone is.  That system is fine but nothing wrong with options for the hardcore RP'rs who try to keep it all as IC as possible.  Even I'm not like that but I do find the name thing obnoxious.  Still though there are plenty who don't so to each his own.  Calling people names and arguing blah blah blah you're an idiot - whiner etc gets us nowhere.  A good discussion on the merits has come along though despite this and that is what needs to happen.  

* Induane hands emeraldfool a cookie just for good measure.

[emeraldfool]

* Induane hands emeraldfool a cookie just for good measure.

* emeraldfool knocks the cookie out of induane's hand and then stomps on it in a tantrum. "I'm entitled to my opinion, damnit!"

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's not about that any more. It's about this:

e-fool: Read the post TWICE  before you start spitting out incoherant drible. This is to filter -your own- view of other's labels, not how others see you. I guess the images were not self explantory enough after all. Next time I will draw them in crayon, and hire you a tutor. (sorry, Mods, if that was overly flame-y. Remove it is you think it is uncalled for)

I'd expect that from Zanzibar or somebody, but I always sort of respected you, and I was kinda shocked...

Don't worry though, I wont be caught off-guard by you again...

[Ralleyon]

Offtopic mode on:

We all have our moments, I suggest you both chill, there's nothing wrong with having different opinions on a matter.

@emeraldfool: I don't want to be mean, but you have got a little too over-critic during the last posts I've read, generally speaking. Stating your opinion is good, insisting on it 'till you drive the person at the other end of the conversation out of his wits isn't good. Just my personal opinion on it.

@Under the moon: Erm... that outburst from a while back was a bit too harsh, even for my dulled tastes when seeing a good flame. Now, personally, when I run into such a situation I tend to re-read what I've said earlier in the topic and check whether there's anything straight to the point that I can add in the most blatant way possible, walking right past a possible (or even unintentional) flamebait. If there isn't, I breathe in deeply and back away. Seriously, I've seen to many mini/mega flame wars around some of the forums I used to visit to be even bothered with such trivial matters. If I do bite on a (pseudo)flamebait though, the next day I bite my tongue so as to drive away the "temptation" away from me.

[Under the moon]

Well, I think I have made my point perfectly clear, and this will be my last post on the matter. The reason for the 'outburst' was quite simply in response to emeraldfool's pointless, misconstrued, and belittling first post.

I don't see the point of this.

Now, if I do not see the point of an idea, I step out of the thread and ignore it. If I think it is a bad idea, I will say so, and give good reason why.

Are you really so popular you need to be reminded who you know and don't know?

This felt very much belittling and insulting to me, besides making little sense. A popular character could know half a crowd or more, so the filter would do them no good. I would use this for close friends of my characters and have mouseover as a backup for looking around at others. Nothing wrong with having both.

It might stop noobs from OOCly knowing your name, but they're a lost cause anyway...

This just irritated me, as it is direct proof he did not read the entire post, or put very little thought into what the wish was even about before impulse posting. All of his following post just said basically "Play like I do, and there is no problem." which increased the irittation.

Had he even shown that he had considered how people play differently than himself before posting, then there would not have been a flame. Now, I was only irritated at him when making my posts. I log off when truly angry.  But, in the end my point was made clear. Put thought into your posts when looking at other's ideas, or beware.

[Karyuu]

I don't see the point of this.

Now, if I do not see the point of an idea, I step out of the thread and ignore it.

Or you post and ask about it, hoping to get a better understanding of what the person is trying to suggest Enough discussing each other, please. Back to the original subject.