Guild Spotlight: Discussion Thread

[Nurahk]

Imperial Intelligence Agency - 1

Atleast somebody had their head in the right place

[lordraleigh]

Imperial Intelligence Agency - 1

Atleast somebody had their head in the right place

Covert Ops being in the Spotlight? 

[Nurahk]

Of course, covert ops works best through fear.

People expecting to be infiltrated work slower.  The more publicity the IIA gets the more fear ensues.

[Sangwa]

The IIA is an imperial agency that has a public purpose as well. It makes available services for the community, like those a private detective would often have to offer. It's an organization with much to show.
The Imperial Guard isn't a guild yet. It's a project until we have 5 members. Unlike some other guilds, we don't recur to using alts.

Still, that's hardly the topic around here.

By the way, being in the spotlight(In-character) is not necessarily a good thing(keywords: Really secret guilds)

Keep in mind we don't force the interview on people.

It will open space for events. But I don't see this as a competition, still, if there would be in the future an allegiance of 15 guilds with several active members on these forums, wouldn't it be easy for this allegiance to manipulate results for their own benefit?

I don't think  you make a point here. You can currently ask anyone you want to vote for you, be that person on an alliance with you or simply a friend. Since you won't know who voted on who, it won't make a difference, since you won't be able to enforce it.
Please refrain from insulting mine or Karyuu's integrity as moderators. Rest assured that we have better things to do then concentrating our efforts of having the Explorers and Imperial Guilds winning every guild spotlight.

But if next guild is Imperial Guard or the Intel, I'm going to suggest to block 2 or more guilds from the same umbrella organization from being in the spotlight in a row, as I think it needs to be diversified.

One of the problem would be if there are guilds present in more than one alliance / umbrella organization. It would be unfair to them... I say we keep things as they are and see what happens for the next round!

[Idoru]

I dont honestly think that any one here was insulting the integrity of either Karyuu or yourself.

I think they made a very good point, that being:

wouldn't it be easy for this allegiance to manipulate results for their own benefit?

The answer to this is an obvious 'yes'. I think it is a signifigant possibility that this will happen and is a valid concern, one that I also share.

[Sangwa]

I didn't say you were insulting. I asked you not to. Different things.

I dont honestly think that any one here was insulting the integrity of either Karyuu or yourself.

I think they made a very good point, that being:

wouldn't it be easy for this allegiance to manipulate results for their own benefit?

The answer to this is an obvious 'yes'. I think it is a significant possibility that this will happen and is a valid concern, one that I also share.

Again I will repeat this: It's easy for anyone to ask their friends, be they part of an alliance or not, to vote on their guild. This does not pose much of trouble because people asking will have no way to know if their members/friends did actually vote or not, which will allow anyone to vote as they wish and ignore the pleadings of their allies or friends if they want to.
And like I've told, prohibiting allies to vote on allies would be unfair for guilds present in more than one alliance and for the members of that alliance, since it could all of them with few choices.

Please take the time to read things carefully. This has been stated already by Karyuu and myself.

EDIT: Made the text more comprehensible.

Let's try to see how things work on the next round! If we have plenty of votes I'm sure the outcome will entertain even more people.

[Idoru]

It wasnt an issue with comprehension, I just happen to disagree with what you said, but nevermind.

I didn't say you were insulting. I asked you not to. Different things.

Hmm, ok. That will be my only comment on that quote.

Anyway, il just let it drop now. We arent getting anywhere even approaching constructive.

[lordraleigh]

First let me reply to something:

Please refrain from insulting mine or Karyuu's integrity as moderators. Rest assured that we have better things to do then concentrating our efforts of having the Explorers and Imperial Guilds winning every guild spotlight.

I didn't make any reference on what you just wrote there, I just suggested that guilds that are part of a larger [Organization] shouldn't appear in sequence on the spotlight to add some variety and that some people exploiting the spotlight may be a possibility.

Not that it matters much anyway, as promoting a guild IC during gameplay is 99,99% more effective than posting on forums to attract new members(At least from my experience). The online content(guild-made forum and website, not PS Forum directly) may aid on keeping people inside the guild, but otherwise the real deal happens in game.

Only time will tell whether the objections I had will or not have meaning.

For now I think the best option is to expand this idea to the point nobody will ever be able to influence results due to a simply too large amount of people voting. Once we have 100-200 people voting here(perhaps even 50 would be enough), then there will be no reason to put such possibilities in check and the possibility of complaints will go down as well.

Perhaps adding a link to the guild spotlight on our forum signatures could help promoting it here to other users?

[Sangwa]

First let me reply to something:

Please refrain from insulting mine or Karyuu's integrity as moderators. Rest assured that we have better things to do then concentrating our efforts of having the Explorers and Imperial Guilds winning every guild spotlight.

I didn't make any reference on what you just wrote there, I just suggested that guilds that are part of a larger [Organization] shouldn't appear in sequence on the spotlight to add some variety and that some people exploiting the spotlight may be a possibility.

Obviously you weren't able to follow my line of thought. Doesn't matter. Asking for something shouldn't bother anyone .

For now I think the best option is to expand this idea to the point nobody will ever be able to influence results due to a simply too large amount of people voting. Once we have 100-200 people voting here(perhaps even 50 would be enough), then there will be no reason to put such possibilities in check and the possibility of complaints will go down as well.

Agreed.

Perhaps adding a link to the guild spotlight on our forum signatures could help promoting it here to other users?

Nice idea.

[Natrina]

For now I think the best option is to expand this idea to the point nobody will ever be able to influence results due to a simply too large amount of people voting. Once we have 100-200 people voting here(perhaps even 50 would be enough), then there will be no reason to put such possibilities in check and the possibility of complaints will go down as well.

 Exactly. Though I think it's a bit silly to say that there's a negative thing in "[Organizations]" and their conditioning of the votes. First, because this is supposed to be a democratic-like system and what's the rule behind democracy? The majority wins. Now, if the majority was imperialists, too bad, that seems to show we're making more use of this then others. If you're saying that because we're imperialists we'll vote in Empire-related guilds well, duh. We're members of an organization because we want to, we're members of something that is a part of an organization because we want to and we comply to the expectations (even if the organization may not, in reality, have such expectations, as, for example, Sangwa made it clear in our forums that we should vote in what we want to see and not specifically in a imperialist guild) of the organization because we want to. Wanting to, freedom to do so or not, that's also a basic value of democracy.

 Anyway, I was the first to be interviewed so it wasn't that fun for me, didn't get to know better any other guild. I'm putting my bets (and my vote) on the next one so it'll be something good to read.

[Gharan]

So, are votes being taken on the second "Guild Spotlight" yet?

EDIT: Nevermind I seen the edit on the first page, I only hope we get more participation this time. 

[lordraleigh]

Exactly. Though I think it's a bit silly to say that there's a negative thing in "[Organizations]" and their conditioning of the votes. First, because this is supposed to be a democratic-like system and what's the rule behind democracy? The majority wins.

It is our luck that "leet" guilds with mass-recruitment and 50-100 members rarely participate in these forums then.

Sadly the majority of MMO gamers aren't roleplayers, of course there are ways to kick the worst of "leetness" off 

[Allive]

hmm so who did win then ? kinda sad how the hokyba da ojaveda never got a vote although i supose that the price was pay for mainly being based in oja and a lot of our members being there a lot of the time oh well.

[Karyuu]

There's a stickied Guild Spotlight thread with the winner:

When a guild gets the spotlight, the leader will get an in-depth interview, giving you the chance to learn about the guild’s path to success, their structure and management model, inspirations, and their failures and struggles. [...]

The spotlight thread will be stickied for two weeks in this forum section, and given a permanent page on hydlaa.com [...]

*edit*

About two more days for voting in this second round, guys! There are people in this forum who are considered regulars, who frequent the guild section, but are for some reason not participating in this forum event. Participation is even worse than the first round! When we are giving you opportunities to have fun and engage in a community-wide activity but you are not playing with us, you are not only hurting our feelings, you are wasting all our time. If this endeavor fails, it will be on your heads and you will carry the full blame, as a community, for being inanimate and uninspired. A lot of us work quite hard to bring you fun toys to play with. If we see that they are not being used, we will not only take them away, but hesitate to give you any more in the future.

This is not the first time that a community event on the board like this has belly flopped, so I am quite irritated.

[Narure]

Prehaps ask the community what they want to save yourself such effort, just put the ideas forward and if people say they like them they are pretty much obliged to use them. To be honest there are hardly any guilds i look up to and want to know more about that i cant find out ingame anyway. Its a nice idea but i think the number of guilds should be built up and maybe the GMs could focus on helping guilds improve in quality by having powers to help with their RPs and maybe have a few rewards for a guild being well organised and meeting its goals (as long as they are IC goals) for the guild. There isnt any particular incentive to vote or try and be voted for with this. I'm more than certain the community apreciates the effort and I'm also certain there are benifits of this I just fail to see.