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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2007, 10:00:54 pm »
Racism should not exist ... but apparently it's so prominent in humanity that this seems impossible to do. Shame on us all!

Exactly. But racism is fun - I think it can add colour to an RP (no pun intended :P)

'Racism' and other forms of discrimination are a very natural part of any society, from birds to Muslims.
Kind of like how people tend to band together and discriminate against racists...

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2007, 10:49:39 pm »
But it does not exist in this univese. This one our characters occupy.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2007, 10:58:53 pm »
But it does not exist in this univese. This one our characters occupy.
Really? Everyone are living in mutual happiness?



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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2007, 11:02:53 pm »
As far as tolerating what race someone is, yes. Completely.
I suggest the statue of Laanx gets turned into a statue of Parallo <3. An NPC could never replace the huge hole he left in my heart when he died  :'(

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2007, 11:39:51 pm »
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2007, 11:49:06 pm »
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2007, 12:01:10 am »
It is racism unless it's towards Kran. The definition of "species" is: "all individuals that are able to interbreed and produce fertile offspring". Since all races in PS except the Kran are able to do so (and frequently do), all Yliaki except Kran are one single species, and thus the terms "race" and "racism" are correct.
But racism is fun - I think it can add colour to an RP
Racism is the cheapest, least creative and least interesting way of creating conflict (even world domination is more creative, if only slightly). This is also why it is so common (both IRL and in RPGs): you don't have to think at all. I agree that racism can, if done well and backed by the settings, make for some interesting RP. However, in PS it is not backed by the settings (as has been stated already), nor is it usually done even close to "well".
Add to this that it's a very over(ab)used idea, and really the only benefit it has is that it generates quick conflict (with duelling usually being the ultimate goal), which is in itself highly questionable in terms of both RP and realism.

I don't understand why people equate "lack of racism" to "no conflict at all". There are many more sources of conflict, ranging from economical differences to personal dislike. Also, a conflict is more interesting if it keeps boiling, instead of the hot but swiftly faded flame of a duel (especially if it's merely using the combat system). I suspect that people who require a constant supply of duelling have left their characters too shallow, so that they cannot define the character's reaction to anything but combat.

Xenophobia is a good point. It can be argued to be one of the supportive factors in racism. However, it cannot occur between the races / species in Yliakum due to the very high, almost complete, mixing. Even without interbreeding, Kran are an everyday occurance just like any of the races.

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2007, 12:29:58 am »
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2007, 12:32:22 am »
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For common genetic rules, any half-breed will have a prevailing race that will determine its physical traits. For this reason, the main races are relatively pure. In other words, it can't happen that the races merge together forming a single mixed race: if someone has a lemur father and an elf mother, he will belong to one race or to the other.

All races aside the Kran can breed. An Ylian and an Enkidukai could technically produce a child, but it will either be fully Ylian or fully Enkidukai. Trying to explain this all with our Earthly sciences is an exercise in time-wasting, for the most part. This is Yliakum, don't try to look too hard into it.
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2007, 12:49:17 am »
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Trying to explain this all with our Earthly sciences is an exercise in time-wasting, for the most part. This is Yliakum, don't try to look too hard into it.

:o) Wasnt even gonna try with that one

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2007, 01:17:18 am »
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If genetics are 1) pointless and 2) not applicable in Yliakum, then why is it mentioned on the settings page? If in Yliakum "genetics" is so radically different from IRL, then maybe it does deserve special description in the settings. Also, realism and predictability / inter / extrapolation still requires that things are thought through and explainable by at least pseudoscience. An immersive virtual world must be able to be looked into deeply / behind the scenes and not lose consistency. >:[
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2007, 05:50:10 pm »
Racism is not fun at all, it is like someone said the cheapest way of conflict there is. It is based on nothing but narrowmindedness and a history of conquest.

Racism does also not equal conflict .. it may be very common in reality but it simply isn't in Yliakum. There is no questioning or arguing that. The settings state that racism does not exist, so racism does not exist .. in no single form. Inhabitants of Yliakum all see eachother as one big race, one big happy family ... but just because you're a family doesn't mean you can't have family members you like less than others ;)
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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2007, 07:05:56 pm »
When you have difference - no matter what that difference is - you'll have discrimination.

1. I discriminate against chocolate ice cream because I prefer the taste of vanilla ice cream.
2. What if someone made a living selling chocolate ice cream, and then they saw me going around telling all my friends vanilla is much better?
3. He then gets all his friends, who like chocolate, to stop dealing with anyone who doesn't like chocolate, in order to boost the sales lost because of the new vanilla movement.
4. The people who like vanilla then get pissed off, because they are no longer able to deal with anyone just because they like vanilla, so they start their own boycott against chocolate.
5. The chocolate-lovers then build a giant wall across town to separate themselves from the vanilla-lovers, and declare their side "Chocoland". The other side declares themselves "Vanillaville".
6. Thus racism is born: The Chocasians and the Vanillians both hate each other for the next 20 generations, never really understanding why.


Discrimination is something so inherent in our society, that without it, Ylian society would be something completely unrecognisable to us. As above, discrimination can come in varying degrees (1-6, for example) it seems strange to remove one form of discrimination, but not remove the 100 others. If 'Yliaki' discriminate against everything else, why wouldn't they discriminate against race, the most obvious of them all? It makes no sense.

Were 'no racism' to be a viable option, you would have to declare that there's no such thing as 'free thought' in Yliakum, and we're all mindless drones...

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Re: In your eyes: whats racism in PS? hmr
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2007, 07:12:46 pm »
Racism isn't something to build a roleplay around in PlaneShift. So it's simple: don't do it. You can avoid it and have an absolute blast. You can never step near it and build stories and worlds beyond usual imagination. Racism isn't a necessary part of the formula. Distrust is not racism. Disagreement on preferences is not racism. In Yliakum, although some races may be wary of others, they do not hate, discriminate, nor abuse.

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